By this statement, i would like to say that TG Mame, is a illegal version of Mame, according to the Mame License. Releasing the source is not enough,when you dont distribute the complete source with ALL changes.

My point is,that distributing this mame version public on web pages (like its done now), or in private as i have heard has been discussed is illegal, and does only harm Mame and i require it to be stopped distributed and used.

It breakes not only one point in the license,but a few :

1. Not open source 2. Does not follow Mame release numbers,even if its a 0.35 version 3. Disables features that is not intended to be disabled.

SO STOP DISTRIBUTING IT AND STOP USING IT. This includes the Deca2000 too.

This message is not to harm any site or persons, but Please respect the people that has done so much. I will not answer any mails or questions abut this, as this is my final statement.

sencirely Nicola Salmoria

-- Nicola Salmoria (MC6489@mclink.it), January 15, 2000

Answers

This is isn't going to be the last time you hear this.

Fuck You.

David M. Waters - Aquatarkus

-- Aquatarkus (aquatarkus@digicron.com), January 15, 2000.

OK. Is it just me or do others smell something too? I have seen messages from Nicola before, and I am pretty sure his English was better than this. And I just compared this message to Stig's latest message and made some very interesting observations:

(1) Both use "i" instead of "I".

(2) Both usually forget putting in a space following a comma.

(3) Nicola: "people that has done"; Stig: "people that has made".

(4) Both forget apostrophes in words like "didn't", "don't", "it's".

(5) Both spell it "Mame". I should imagine that Nicola would use what seems to be the official spelling: "MAME".

(6) And why no mails? Because he didn't post it to start with?

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 15, 2000.

Oops... thanks, Crash, for making me have another look and for raising doubts in the first place.

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 15, 2000.

For proof that Nicola's English and writing is a LOT better than this (and that he uses "MAME", not "Mame"), see:

http://mameworld.retrogames.com/mametesters/comments.html

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 15, 2000.

Nice detective work, Ben Jos. It seemed fishy to me too since I knew Nicola could spell better than that based on his message board posts. And hey, soon after the faked post Stig speaks up saying that all the rules and voting for the tourney should be scrapped and started over. How odd that it would almost seem like Stig WANTED this to happen, eh? He'll try anything to get his way (see the "gang voting" for T2).

Give it up Stig, start your own tourney if you don't like what's going on, there's no need to ruin it for the rest of us.

-BBH

-- BBH (lordbbh@aol.com), January 15, 2000.

Stig, first of all, you weren't ever going to get OutRun in the tournament anyway even if it WAS MAME .35. It's a sorry excuse for a good game. Why people like it is beyond me.

Second, if you want things your way, as they've said, start your own god damn tournament, OKAY!? Look, I might be pissed that Badlands was exlcuded twice, but I have not ONCE tried to rig the tournament in my favor just to get it in. You are probably the ULTIMATE scam. You've passed yourself off as a Twin Galaxies verifier for Norway, which SHOULD make you good. However, you've pissed off your fair share of people, and you've scammed us in two straight tourneys to get your way. Which you didn't...so THERE. And you won't get it your way again if you keep doing this.

Your "impersonation" of Nicola was so laughable that it made me remember how STUPID you really are. If you can't do a convincing impression of Nicola, you're better off swearing at Gameboy9's randomizer for screwing you over. Taking it out on everyone was LOW. VERY low. I'll be very surprised if you play in the tourney based on how you've been acting. I don't think they'll let you play based on your bastardishness.

I am done bitching. Oh, and Stig: You should go to hell. They like to take retards like you.

--Sports Dude (I may not make sense, but I make my point.)

-- Sports Dude (shyboy820@aol.com), January 16, 2000.

What a fucking idiot you must be Ben Jos. Come and proove that i wrote that message. I read my mail and read Nicola's and Gamebvoy9's message,and posted a response. Why dont you go to hell yourself. Why dont you mail Nicola and get an answer,that he didnt post it ? I am ver sure you will never get an answer. My connection to TG is nothing to bring up here. I have told Gamyboy9 many times that i wont compete in this tourney. But accusing me for posting fake mails is very serious. And btw,how the hell would you stop me from playing in t3 lamer. I could just create any named player and play with it.

Ben Jos, you were lucky with the selection of games in t2, and did a great job winning it. But in my opinion there are at least 10 better players at Marp than you. You are fucking stupid accusing me of posting this, as i said before I never intended to play t3, so wouldnt care anyway.

So to Ben Jos : Fuck YOU !!!!! Fuck YOU !!!!! Fuck YOU !!!!! And go to hell !

Stig

-- Stig Remnes (sremnes@samsen.com), January 16, 2000.

Stig,

You are such a bad loser. You just don't like it that you've been found out, do you? For your information Nicola Salmoria types perfect English, and wasn't it just remarkable how his "supposed" message was identical to your in all its grammatical failings? Poor spelling, misplaced punctuation and even misquoting his OWN MAME license? I think not. Even more so that Nicola does not post to message boards hardly ever, and certainly does not publicise his email address in such public forums. He's anti-spam just like the rest of us.

You've been nothing but a moaner and coplainer over the last few months. Just because you didn't get the games you wanted in T2, despite your best efforts to cheat the voting system, you decide that you'll try and force us to play the games YOU want using the version of MAME YOU want. Well, it's not going to happen.

For your information, I was the person who first suggested the message from "Nicola" was fake, and that YOU posted it. I suggest that if YOU want to take this further you talk to ME.

I'm not just going to sit here and let you ruin the tournament for everyone else. If I had my way, YOU would be banned from the tournament, MARP and the message boards. At least that way we could all gladly have NOTHING more to do with you.

Your attempt to impersonate someone else was completely pathetic, and just shows you up to be the cheat you really are. The whole MARP thing is supposed to be fun, and that's how the vast majority of us treat it.

What kick do you get from trying to sabotage people's efforts?

You are a sad, sad litle boy.

Crash.

-- Dean Ryan (crash@tcp.co.uk), January 16, 2000.

Stig:

A very interesting train of thoughts there and very interesting that you seem to identify me with Sports Dude. This is just to let you know that I have read your reply, and that, as I have stated before, you should seriously consider therapy.

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), January 16, 2000.

I`ve just read this whole thead with absolute bewilderment. If the guy is guilty , when then he is a complete WANKER,TOSSER, ( and what we say in Ireland ) a compete and utter GOB-SHITE !

Sorry about the language , but for someone to stoop so low in a site where we`re suppossed to be 'friendly rivals'and enjoy competing against each other, it`s just sickening. If he is guilty...I say ban him from this site completely. We don`t need this kind of sinister crap.

If Stig is innocent , disregard the above comments.

p.s Sherlock Ben Jos , can you dig up any more evidence ?

Jusy my opinion.... ALEX

-- Alex Weir (alexweir@indigo.ie), January 16, 2000.

I'm not sure who posted this, and frankly I could care less. The Deca2000 will go forward, requiring the use of Mame .35TG3, until my attorney receives a "cease and desist" order from a magistrate.

Nuff Said.

Ron

-- Ron Corcoran (sniper75@mindspring.com), January 16, 2000.

...and people wonder why Monroeworld.com has never had nor will ever have a Message Board. This sort of thing turns my stomach.

Maybe Nicola WILL take some legal action - against our buddy here that likes to impersonate someone else.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Shane

-- Shane R. Monroe (webmaster@monroeworld.com), January 17, 2000.

From the Snipercade Deca2000 forum:

"yours sencirely, Stig Remnes"

Sencirely? Sencirely? Now where have I seen that before?

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), February 05, 2000.

Ben Jos, quit programming amd become a full-time Private Detective.....

Keep it up....

ALEX

-- Alex Weir (alexweir@indigo.ie), February 05, 2000.

so much for lack of evidence... case closed.

-- Chad (churritz@cts.com), February 05, 2000.

No Alex, I'm not going to give up programming, because it helps me in my sleuthing. :-)

Some more interesting things I've dug up. Notice how, BEFORE the "Nicola post", a certain someone kept mentioning Nicola, the licence, and showing respect...

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001x xT

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001g lC

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001m 3t

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001u bz

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001y Bg

There are just WAY too many coincidences in this case...

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), February 05, 2000.

Right after "Nicola"'s post, Stig said:

(Start of quote) We should as good people respect the wishes of the people that has made Mame what it is today, remember without Nicola we would never see marp,or those games. (End of quote)

So that would mean that we have to stop using m35tg3. And certainly, Stig, as good people, respects that wish and so does not use it. Right?

Funny, though, to see him say the following on the Deca2000 (remember that Deca2000 uses m35tg3) board just a few days ago:

(Start of quote) I downloaded tgmame3b (Latest) [...] I am working on my own recordings for deca2000, they will start coming soon (End of quote)

Now here is the person who kept hammering on about following the licence and how Nicola had said this and Nicola had said that. And "Nicola" has said we should not use m35tg3 (a.k.a. TG MAME 3), but now Stig is disrespecting "the wishes of the people that has made Mame what it is today"???

I'll just keep digging away. Or do I have to? Is there anybody out there who still has doubts?

Cheers, Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), February 08, 2000.