RE-Thanks for all the responses. I think the posts reflect a good cross-section of considerations regarding Y2K. Paula, your suggestion to list or categorize probable or proven Y2K hits on this board are worthwhile. In a year, or 10 or 20 our future my depend on the learning's which were gained through historical documentation of these events. I have seen to much hush-hush and political BS in the manufacturing segment to think Y2K was a non-event.

-- questioning (vission@net.com), July 31, 2000

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I forgot...Also thanks Martin, Spider and a few others who make this board worth reading. q

-- questioning (vission@net.com), July 31, 2000.

Agreed, it was NOT a non event. For starters, I still haven't figured out how the CIA/NSA managed to spend 5.3 billion dollars on supposed remediation of their computer systems, yet, and during the rollover, it was the NSA who were the only ones admitting that they had a problem (communication with their satelite data was disrupted for half a day or so). Perhaps this story, and I tend to think it was just that, was provided to placate the tax paying public. Makes me wonder why such a secret organization would be the only ones giving out any information about their computer systems during the rollover.

At any rate, 5.3 billion missing dollars is not a non event. Not even to our congress (or is it?)!

Ken

-- Ken Price (n4wind@aol.com), July 31, 2000.

Cheers, Ken, a very astute observation.

-- R2D2 (r2d2@earthend.net), July 31, 2000.

It was said on the other thread that y2k might have been like a termite infestation, only unleashed upon us on January 1 of this year. If so, it could take a bit longer, even a long time yet, maybe. But, when a termite-ridden house, which can be deceivingly well kept up looking, finally crumbles, it really crumbles.

Hope this is not what is in the cards for us.

-- Wayward (wayward@webtv.net), July 31, 2000.

It's amazing how y2k lingers. It does, in this group, anyway.

-- LillyLP (lillyLP@aol.com), July 31, 2000.

I have a friend, a management consultant, who is well-connected throughout industry in this country. He tells me that a lot of very effective cover-up was done to minimize the damage from y2k, which, he tells me was much more extensive than most people will ever know. He says we still have much to worry about because many workarounds are still in effect, slowing production, considerably, in a lot of different industries.

-- Chance (fruitloops@Hotmail.com), July 31, 2000.

Dear Chance,

Thanks so much for your posting. Any additional information and any specifics you or your management consultant friend can provide, on or off the record, would be helpful.

Thanks,

-- Paula Gordon (pgordon@erols.com), August 01, 2000.

Dear Questioning,

Thanks very much for your comments. My suggestion was actually more narrowly focused. I was suggesting that it would be helpful to have a list in one place of the twenty-two different "for the archives" threads that were posted by the Sysops on GICC on July 21, 2000. These postings include compilations of information and references that should prove particularly helpful to researchers and analysts. The twenty-two different postings can presently be found by searching the various subject headings on the bottom of the "New Questions" page of the GICC website. An additional way of identifying these could be a help to those trying to track and assess compilations of information concerning problems across a range of sectors. I intend to prepare a list of the URLs of these threads. If and when I do, I will plan to post the list on a thread. Perhaps, a new category could be added to the subject heading list, such as "For the archives compilations".

-- Paula Gordon (pgordon@erols.com), August 01, 2000.

Martin While I have lurked here for many months, there has been little I could really contribute to the discussion that others had not already chimed in with by the time I got to review the posts. However, here I must add my thanks by allowing us to see a compendium of raw data about infrastructure problems. I do not pretend to know how much is Y2K related but the information is a usefule benchmark. Further, just to comment on the electrical problems people are encountering, I for one never ever realized the squirell king was so powerful.

Seriously i do thank you for your efforts and for all the information

-- Matt Riley (matriley@gateway.net), August 01, 2000.

Thank you Matt and all the others that have posted on this thread. I originally started posting on the y2k issue, but have found out that there are many serious issues out there that need to be reported. Y2k might still be lurking, but I find that the problems with the water supply, energy and pollution are huge around the world.

With all the positive reactions it makes my day a lot brighter. I will try to continue posting articles that I believe are of interest to the people of this forum.

Again Thanks to all.

Martin

-- Martin Thompson (mthom1927@aol.com), August 01, 2000.

One more thing.

I am just one of the posters on the forum. Dee and spider are super contributors also.

-- Martin Thompson (mthom1927@aol.com), August 01, 2000.

Martin, I also thank you also for all the information you post on the infrastructure of our society. I have a comment about what we are seeing regarding the instability of man made systems and the change in the environment. Many will say that we are reaping what has been decades of abuse and poor planning. I cannot disagree with this statement per say, but I think something else is at work here that no one seems to be commenting on.

What I believe is happening is that God may be opposing us. Based on the Bible, I believe that God is sovereign (in control of every aspect) and whatever is occurring can be laid at His feet. Whether He is actively opposing or has stepped back and has taken His hands off, (allowing things to wind down), I do not know, but the end result is the same, and it is what we are beginning to see.

What amazes me is that people are not questioning why these things are occurring but just shrugging their shoulders and making an adjustment in their life. We just had a random shooting on the highway in which a 23 year old Navy LTJG was killed by three young men who lived in this community (we are a quiet, picturesque town in the Northwest U.S.). This incident is being throughly discussed (as can occur in a small town) and people are rationalizing the incident with, "well he got shot after midnight and I do not travel late at night."

In reading the history of the nation Israel, I have come to the understanding that when something bad happened to the Israelite nation, the people would look for what was displeasing to the Lord. It seems that we have come very far from that understanding and now what the Bible says is true; "There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God;"

I think it might be helpful if we begin to consider the thought that there may no longer be a human solution for the problems we face.

Very Respectfully, Phil Maley

-- Phillip Maley (maley@cnw.com), August 02, 2000.