Hi Everyone,

I have 3 anatolian shepherds that weigh approx. 100 pounds each. Can I give them 1cc of Ivomec for worming? And would I just inject it sub-Q? Or does it need to be diluted somehow? I know that at some time, someone (vicki?) posted directions for using Ivomec on dogs, but I can't find it. (Speaking of which, is there any way to do a "search" on this forum, without scrolling through hundreds of old posts?)

Blessings, Debbie.

-- Debbie Fornari (heritageacres@yahoo.com), October 03, 2000

Answers

Ivomec can be used for worming and heartworm prevention in dogs when given orally. I know it must be diluted a whole lot and that very, very little is needed. However I do not know the dilution. Can you ask your vet?

-- txcountry girl (nancyk@icsi.net), October 03, 2000.

We use Ivomec on all of our dogs and have not had any worm (heart or otherwise). The stuff we get comes in sort of syringe with a notched plunger which is marked for 50lb. doses. Our dobies weigh about 100 lbs. each so they get two notches worth hidden inside a piece of Spam. Believe me, a dog can detect this stuff a mile away. I prepare three pieces of Spam with the medicine in the third piece. Works everytime.

-- john and pat james (jjames@n-jcenter.com), October 03, 2000.

Just be careful that what you get is for DOGS. I read an article recently that stated the ivermecten paste wormer for horses can kill an adult dog, even in very small doses. I haven't asked our vet to confirm this so don't know it for sure, but the article was about using vet medicine inproperly, and the consequences. Jan

-- Jan in Colorado (Janice12@aol.com), October 03, 2000.

Last I heard, Ivomec was not labeled for dogs in any of it's forms. However, our local Ivomec salesman tells folks his wife uses the injectable form that's labeled for cattle at 1/10cc per 10 pounds of dogs weight. That's a minute amount, and yes, they can detect it in almost anything. This is given orally, despite the fact it is injectable. I know literally dozens of dog owners who use this sucessfully for heartworm without any harmful effects. However, remember that ivomec in Heartgard has been shown to be of some danger to collies and some shepherd breeds. Don't bother asking your vet. He will tell you it will kill your dog and they need to be on something HE CAN SELL YOU.

-- melina bush (goatgal1@juno.com), October 03, 2000.

I use it orally for my sheep at 1cc per 100 weight. I know what I give my dog is Ivomectin but I wouldn't risk being wrong on it with the dog so I buy it prepared by the vet. My understanding is you can't give it to the dog if it has heartworms, so they test the dog and then you can get it from him at a six month supply. My dog was in only once and never needed to be retested. It might cost more than what you bought for the cattle in the injectable but the dog loves the "candy wormer".

-- Debbie Wolcott (bwolcott@cwis.net), October 03, 2000.

Yes we use Ivermectin for heart worm control, we use the 1% cattle injectable. We have seen no fecal sample results that show worming with ivermectin kills any stomach worms. We use Valbazen at 1cc per 10 pounds for worming out dogs, also using Strongid horse wormer, which is the same drug as Lassie dog wormer, pyrantal tartrate, much more concentrated so much cheaper to use. Make sure your dogs are on the list of breeds able to take Heartguard or any other of the Ivermectin based heartworm pills before starting your program. Make sure you understand that heartworms and stomach/intestinal wormings are two different things, and the dose of Ivermectin given for heartworms does not stomach/intestinal worm your dog! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), October 03, 2000.

How do you find out what dogs are on the list? Is there a web site with this information we can read? Thanks

-- Cindy in Ky (solidrockranch@msn.com), October 04, 2000.

Vicki> FYI, the dose of Ivernectin in Heartgard is safe for collies breeds, thatwas how the dose wasdetermined, maximum dose safe for those breeds. Funny, we just had this discussion at work last night. I dose my ivermectin this way, 1 cc ivomec to 9 cc propylene glycol, them 1 cc of this mix per 10 pounds. Thats the same concentration as above, but dilutes the taste and makes it easier to dose small animals. Ivermectin can be injected sunbcutaneously to control ear mites in both dogs and cats, however dogs rarely get ear mites.

-- Dianne (yankeeterrier@hotmail.com), October 04, 2000.

Thanks Dianne, how ironic that the last time I posted the directions for mixing your own Ivermectin for heartworm prevention that someone privatly emailed me with how horrible I was and then proceeded to tell me that Heartguard killed collies and small mixes of collie. So now I put this disclaimer on when I write folks about this and now I find out it isn't true. Perhaps next time I am in at the vet I will get the package inserts out for myself and read them :) Thanks! Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), October 04, 2000.

I never used Ivomec on the dog, but when I first talked to my vet about wormers for the livestock, she told me to use Ivomec, and went on to say, that you can use it safely for just about anything, including dogs. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COLLIES, OR COLLIE-MIXES. That struck me as weird, but my dog isn't a collie, and I asked because of the other livestock, so I never asked why. Just thought I'll pass this on.

-- karin morey (wind_crest@hotmail.com), October 08, 2000.

I HAVE NO ANSWER, JUST A RESPONSE,

I HAVE A REGISTERED COLLIE, 12 WEEKS OLD. TOO HER TO HER VET 2-10-01, THE VET GAVE HER .3 CC OF IVOMECTIN, 8 HOURS LATER SHE WAS STAGGERING, TOO HER TO THE HOSPITAL, TOLD ME SHE WAS GOING TO BE FINE IN 24/48 HOURS. ITS NOW MONDAY MORNING 2-12-01 AND SHE IS HORRIBLE. DEPRESSED, BLIND, DROOLING, NO APPITITE, THE VET SAYS SHE WILL BE FINE, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY DIFFERENT.

PLEASE I'M SO CONCERNED.

-- joann (j_kutac@YAHOO.COM), February 12, 2001.

joann-get your dog to a different vet immediately. That doesn't sound right at all. I have wormed with ivermectin for years and NEVER had anything like that. Something is obviously wrong.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 12, 2001.

The more I think of it, this reminds me of Parvo-I had a youngster get it one time, from the vets place no less, when he was in getting his checkup. His shot hadn't had time to work or something because he had been vaccinated. Sorry to say, not all vets are created equal.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 12, 2001.

Gosh Joann what a awful thing to happen. I hope you got your dear collie to another Vet,,of course YOUR vet isn't going to talk "straight" with you cause you can sue his ----. that is not a normal reaction and something went terribly wrong. I used Ivermectin on my dogs for years, no bad side affects ever took place. I always used the paste form for horses.*** And no vet is going to tell you about a cheaper way to doctor your dogs. If one does, that vet is very special.,,I managed a kennel for 20 + years and learned a great deal in the process.,,had to out of necessity.***Sure hope things turned out happily for you and collie. Take care,,,,

-- Patsy (cozyhollow-gal@care2.com), February 21, 2001.

I don't have an answer but I do have a question. I couldn't find the question box so I'm using this one. I have a 5 year old great dane. I just found out she has heart worms. The vet quoted a price of $365 to treat her. That is when I began to research and heard about ivomec which lead me to your website. This is very informative I'm so glad I found this site. I was wondering if someone could tell me if I need to keep my dog contained in a small area for 2 weeks after I treat her and do the dogs generally get ill? I'm new at this so I don't know what to expect. I would appreciate any response. Thank you, Wanda

-- WANDA ATTAWAY (WATTA_WP@YAHOO.COM), March 06, 2001.

Wanda the information posted here about using Ivermectin for heartworms was for prevention only. If you would care to contact me personally I will give you the information I have on treatment of heartworms, once diagnosed. Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (vickilonesomedoe@hotmail.com), March 06, 2001.

I have used Ivomec (the 1% solution for cattle and swine) for many years on my chows with no ill effects. In fact, I credit Ivomec for saving the life of one of my dogs. My county agent says 1cc per 110 pounds of body weight. You cannot use Ivomec on a dog with a heartworm problem. Seems the Ivomec kills all the worms at once and they clog an artery, much like a blood clot, and kill the animal.

-- Mardell Fuson (mfuson@zianet.com), April 10, 2001.

I have a small Australian sheperard last thrusday night we gave her ivomec .3cc (per the vet. 1cc per 75 lbs)she has had a bad reaction to this. She is 1 1/2 yrs old we upped her dose this year and because she weighs much more 27lbs. She is a very special dog to our family as all our dogs our.(WE have 3 dogs and the others have had no bad reaction to this med.) BABE started to have problems thursday night but we were not sure what was going on by 5am she was in BIG trouble i called the vet by the time they came in and she was seen she was starting to have seizures. They gave her med. to stop this and something to let her rest for the day by 4:00 she wasnt much better they put her on an IV and keep her sudated for the night and let her come to in the morning but started to have seizures again so choose to keep her on IV and sudated until Monday morning. By Monday she stopped the seizures but was just laying around looking depressed and eyes dialated. We chose to bring her home as the kids needed to start to understand how bad things were. On Monday she we gave her fluids every two hrs through most of the day and night. By Tuesday she seem to want to eat and is now on baby food meats and cottage cheese. Her appetite seems to be very good and she is showing signs of better control of her movements (still very wobblie and unable to control all her movements) when she dose stirr we take her outside and help her walk and tell her to potty and she dose so to use these are good signs. Anyone with suggestions on things to help BABE through this please post. We could use all the help we can get.

-- kim (kcripe@hoosierlink.net), April 11, 2001.

We raise and breed rabbits and recently started to use ivermectin, I bought some paste wormer for horses in a notched syringe and gave a very small 1/2 pea size to our 2# rabbits and even the 1# babies, I haven't had any problems--rabbits aren't very tolerant of many medications that would normally be used on cats and dogs, etc. And recently, started using the injectable ivomec and figured the dose to be something like 0.01 cc per pound, and had given 0.1 cc per pound SQ, oops, well, these aren't beloved pets, but they all lived. I even gave a 1/2 pea sized of the paste to our 7#-15# cats. Without problems. I figured i'd tell you of my goof ups with the ivermectin dose...BUT, here's another disaster for you all to learn from..tonight, I tried giving the injectable orally and had the ivermectin in a 1 cc syringe and had the rabbit upside down and went to give a 0.02 cc dose or something very minute and anyway, the barrel went down very fast and the baby bunny got 0.5 CC....! So, I will only inject from now on...

-- K. Blue (kmnewberry@hotmail.com), May 25, 2001.

Please, please, please think twice before worming a Collie or Collie- type dog with Ivermectin in any of its forms (including Heartguard). My sheltie had a horrible reaction to Heartguard after years of being on it with no previous problems. We have all collie-type dogs (Border Collies, Australian Shepherd and Sheltie) and I've switched them all over to Interceptor. I don't know the technical explanation for why only Collie-type dogs are affected by Ivermectin but believe me, you don't want to take a chance. I didn't even know I was taking a chance, since the Heartguard was vet-prescribed. I didn't find out about the contraindication for Collies until after the reaction ($450 dollars later!!!) My mother had a small Sheltie show up at her barn and after she had taken him in, she found out he was heartworm- positive. She has a horse barn (lots of Ivomec on hand), so with the aid of her vet (who agreed to help after she explained she didn't have the $600 a treatment would cost and that she would have to leave him untreated), she was able to cure him with a year of treatment. She was fully aware of the chance she was taking, but this little dog was at the end of his rope. I suppose in a dire circumstance, when you absolutely can't afford another treatment for your Collie breed, Ivomec is an option. But, IMHO, I would avoid it if there is ANY other treatment you can afford.

-- Sandy (tripletreefarm@hotmail.com), May 27, 2001.

We have Border Collies, and from the vet, I have started using Liquid Panacure for the pups and dogs. It is even safe for 2 week old pups. I worm at 2,3,4,6 and 8 weeks on the pups and once a month for the big dogs. I would not worm the mom and pups on the same day though, I would stagger it. I dose at 1cc per 10lbs, and I have a postal scale for the pups. I also use this wormer for the goats, at 1cc per 20lbs. The milk withdrawel is only 36 hours for the milking does. Panacure goes after hookworms, which will kill pups by 3 weeks if they are present. Ask you vet about it first.

-- Cindy in KY (solidrockranch@hotmail.com), May 27, 2001.

People if you plan to worm your dog or dogs with Ivomec(Ivomectin. Make sure there is no collie blood in the animal any collie or collie mixes will have adverse affects and most likely die!!!!! Now to the other breeds that can use Ivomec it is completely safe!!! I have used it for eight years on twenty different dogs all PIT BULLS but either way I have friends that use it on Rotties to Chows to Pugs with great success. The vet will not condone this money robbing process, your taking money out of his wallet when you use Ivomec. To treat all worms except tapes dose at 1 cc per 110 lbs. I round this off to 1 cc per 100 lbs so a 35 lbs dog geats .35cc. Once you draw it up in the syringe draw up some water to dilute it and squirt it down there throat. Do this once a month and you will keep the dog free of parasites it helps with ear mites and mange!!!! This stuff is great and excellent money saver for those with a few dogs. You will not be cutting corners but making a straight line towards a great deworming program. Feel to e-mail me. Oh yea I am not responsible for you using drugs that are not labled for dog use your dog your problem!!!

-- Jeff (ddoggpitz@hotmail.com), September 18, 2001.

I give my dogs Ivomec orally. I was sold a small bottle of it by a vet very cheap. We were discussing heartworm prevention. I give 1/3ml undiluted for a dog that is around 7kg. I dont know what that is in cc and pounds. I have never had a problem. I also gave it to my collie cross shepard regularly with no problem. Obviously this can not always be done but i didnt know and the vet never told me it was dangerous either. Disclaimer: You follow my lead and you live with any consequences...i am not responsible!

-- Leah (havenden@yahoo.com), November 25, 2001.

Mix 1cc cattle/swine Ivomec to 10cc Propeyen Glycol/or boiled water to delute the Ivomec. give 1cc per 10Lbs if heavy dog breed double the mixture above and give 1cc per 20Lbs.Do not give Ivomec in any form to collies it will kill them or hurt them seriously.The mixture above was prescribed by a vetranarian to a friend of mine.

-- Ben Matthews (bsm38501@yahoo.com), March 14, 2002.