I log on this morning after a long stay away from this forum to find out that pandemonium has happen yet again.

Andy Ray is back accusing me of bias towards the doomers, and Diane Squire emails me complaints that she is being harassed yet again at her place of work.

The truth is that I have not kept up with this forum in a very long time. I have checked my yahoo emails still every other day, but except for one person who complained of a porno picture which I deleted, and then received complaints from the person who posted that pic, and this morning's email from Diane Squire, I have not received emails from anyone in a very long time. I assumed that by not being involved in the forum, and simply responding to email complaints on a case by case basis, you'd all be happy. I honestly haven't taken any sides, but the conspiracy theorists just can't be pleased no matter what.

I have lost all motivation in this forum for quite some time now, the only thing that kept me from closing it down was that many people still seemed interested in it as a gathering place and there weren't too many problems. It didn't require much involvement on my part. But unfortunately, due to some people who continue to harass each other over the past and thus involving me and this forum in a personal way that I don't care for, I can no longer continue keeping this forum open.

It is also unfortunate that I can't change the name of this forum. It would have been my intention to do so two months after I started it, as Y2K and anything having to do with it was really dead for me. It wasn't my intention for this forum to rehash the past on original TB2000 and keep old wounds open for ever.

A long time ago, I found a new community and new hobby on the internet, and that's where I spend my online time now. I urge everyone to do the same. There's a great big fun internet world out there, start a new virtual life!

This forum has over extended it's original purpose and usefulness. I understand that this is rather an abrupt way of closing it without warnings, but I also know that many of you already have established forums here on Lusenet and other sites, and it's easy for anyone to start one.

May you all have a peaceful and happy life,

OTFR

Late entry: Since I started this thread, a new development came about. You all can meet as before on Unk's Wild Wild West. Same Lusenet forum, same people. New manager.

-- Old Time Forum Regular (freespeech_y2k@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000

Answers

Welcome to the "I-got-a-life-club".

Though I certainly shouldn't talk.....

Night train

-- Night train (NightTr@in.Lane), November 28, 2000.

I can understand, OTFR. Have you set a time/date for the closing?

I, for one, will miss this place, but you're right, there ARE alternatives. Folks can go to Poole's Roost [where many of us are meeting now], or even put some life back into the forum *I* started on EZBOARD several months back [where some of us meet on occasion].

Here's the link to my EZBOARD forum, where Y2k and other topics are separated into two sub- entities. Any search engine will give you the address to Poole's Roost, which now exists on Lusenet.

It's been my pleasure to meet with folks on this forum, OTFR, and I appreciate you keeping it going as long as you have. I'll certainly miss it, but sometimes it's a good idea to just start afresh.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), November 28, 2000.

RIP

-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), November 28, 2000.

Flock Sue.

-- WhoTheHell Cares (FlockSue@IDoNotCareARatsAss.Com), November 28, 2000.

OFTR--would you provide a link to your "new community" or are you trying to ditch us? Thanks for all your work.

Guess, I'll try Poole's. Anita, nothing personal, I just prefer the Greenspun format to EZ board's.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), November 28, 2000.

Anita, I have removed the ability to start new threads. I guess I'll let the forum fade away by itself.

Lars, my interests aren't necessarily yours. The common link we ever had on this forum was Y2K. That's gone, and so am I ;)

I'll keep my yahoo email account for a while. If there are unresolved issues, you can reach me there.

OTFR

-- Old Time Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Doesn't sound like Chris to me. Internet hoax.

-- SydBarrett (dark@side.moon), November 28, 2000.

Anita, provide a link to Poole's Roost would you please?

-- (help@please.com), November 28, 2000.

Lars:

LOTS of folks feel that way. I'm not interested in moderating a forum, and my EZBOARD forum reflects that. I'm the epitome of ineptitude in that regard [thinking of Andy Ray there]. I doubt that Stephen has any interest in moderating either. We both just know that folks met online discussing ONE thing and regardless of how we saw that one thing, are still interested in keeping in touch.

Either way, Diane Squire and the other sysops from TB2000 are out of the loop.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), November 28, 2000.

Give me the code for this format and I'll put it on my server...I'll keep it going. I don't really understand. A meeting place is a meeting place. A place to post is a place to post. If not here then somewhere else. The consensus seems to be this forum format is preferred over other forums. Why not just let it ride and do not monitor the posts. Let it be a free-for-all. Nature has a way of taking care of itself...IMHO

-- Uncle Bob (unclb0b@aol.com), November 28, 2000.

No, it's Chris, and it is no hoax.

Chris would be the only one to be able to remove the ability to ask "New Questions".

"New hobby". [snicker]

-- ! (%@!.!), November 28, 2000.

Here's a link to Poole's Roost

He had another forum on another server, but it started eating threads in the middle of the night, and he needed to find another server. My EZBOARD forum provided some interim relief before he established Poole's Roost.

-- Anita (Anita_S3@hotmail.com), November 28, 2000.

My interests aren't y2k either. I just want to have a cyber-place where there are stimulating discussions, humor, information and a sense of community. (time for the cynics to say "get a life"). For me, this is a part of life. An important part. I will miss you all. Well, most of you.

Ciao.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), November 28, 2000.

OTFR,

Andy Ray has been trying to shut down this forum (or its predecessor), for well over a year now. That's nothing new. I don't think you should let yourself get so upset just because he had an extended holiday weekend and spent most of it attacking you. You are not responsible for what Diane did to him, or what he does to Diane. Diane can take whatever steps are necessary to have her attacker tracked and brought to justice. You can either ignore Andy or permanently block him from the forum. I vote for the latter. Whatever you decide, thanks for letting us have this experience.

-- OTR (old@time.reg), November 28, 2000.

You guys can go over to the Uncensored Spinoff if you want. It is a Lusenet forum also and I don't have any bias towards "doomers" or "pollys".

Uncensored Spinoff

It's not listed on the main board at the moment because no one has been using it for awhile, but if there are seven posts a week it stays up. (It's always available...it's just not always on the main board.) If much traffic does come over, I'll even make a static website advertising it if you want new people to come there.

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), November 28, 2000.

OTFR,

Thanks so much for allowing us this chance to debate, chat, laugh, cry, share memories, spread good cheer, help each other, rassle, vent, and all kinds of other stuff.

And thanks to the rest of y'all who provided alternate waterin' holes we can repair to.

-- eve (eve_rebekah@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

If Klinton refuses to move out of the Whitehouse will we have a "Civil War?"

-- ... (...@...com), November 28, 2000.

A couple of questions:

Did you ask Ms. Squires for any proof that she was being emailed at work by people on this forum, or did you just take her word for it? I'm not to sure I'd take what she said at face value given her "work" at the old forum.

By the way, what is your new internet hobby?

Good luck and best wishes. I enjoyed this place.

-- The Engineer (spcengineer@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Chris, thanks for taking on the cause when you did..way back when. It was nice to have a place to continue talking with "banned" people whom I liked, and I've appreciated it.

Wish I could come up with an appropriate haiku for you..but they're all coming out to sappy...so I'll just say best wishes. Love Kritter

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), November 28, 2000.

OTFR,

Thankya,thankya,thankyaverymuch.

It's been a pleasure,I appreciate everything youv'e done and or rather not done.Be well and maybe sometime,somewhere you can join some of us wherever we might land.

Sincerely,

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), November 28, 2000.

You'll Never Guess! Gore wants ANOTHER RECOUNT! WOW!

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), November 28, 2000.

Bob,

I wholeheartedly agree,allways did love a good free for all : )

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), November 28, 2000.

Deja vu all over again.

As for where to land...

As Anita said, I highly doubt that Stephen Poole would have the inclination to play moderator to this group of animals. (I know I certainly wouldn't ;-) It's also apparent that most people here would prefer the Greenspun format. Therefore, being that "Netscape6.0" already has a forum in place on Greenspun, (and being that he is apparently a glutton for punishment [moderator]), here's a vote to accept his invitation and move this zoo to his Uncensored Spinoff forum.

(Read his policy statement here... About)

Just my 2 cents,

-- CD (costavike@hotmail.com), November 28, 2000.

Thank you all for the good wishes and kind words.

As I stated in the beginning, my motivation to start this forum was to give a voice to anyone and everyone who had been silenced and/or banned from the original TB2K, and thus give a fair chance to all to debate facts and "Y2K history" without bias from a forum maintainer. My goal was achieved. Whether Andy Ray really wanted this forum closed or not is not relevant to me. And if he did, he would have been denying himself the opportunity I was giving him. I believe Andy Ray simply sees unfairness where it doesn't exists. He, (nor anyone else in particular), is not the reason I am closing the forum, I have been thinking about it for quite some time. Since there are other well established Lusenet forums as alternatives for those who want to continue socializing, this one is not needed any longer. I am content to let someone else deal with the more colorful personalities that have been on these TB2K related forums.

To leave this forum unatended and a "free for all" would not be fair to Phil Greenspun and MIT, IMO. There are too many ways to abuse his system and resources. I am thankful to him and MIT to give us the opportunity to open these forums, without the hindrance of most commercial sites (although many of those commercial sites have very useful and fun features which is nice too.)

OTFR

-- Old Time Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Thanks for the memories OTFR!!

Your post begs the question: “If you have stayed away from this forum for so long then why now do you suddenly have a problem?"

Andy Ray is not trying to shut this place down anymore than the hundreds of posts by our resident nutbag, ‘Hawk’. It is the diversity of the participants that make this place so much fun, for most of us. Hell, many of the ‘regulars’ here know each other personally but my guess is that they will ‘miss the mix’, if you know what I mean.

As regards Diane Squire, who gives a rat’s ass what that goofy bitch is moaning about? Most of us had our fill of that sorry woman last year and I find it amazing Chris, that you would allow yourself to be manipulated by this foolish person. Go figure.

For those of you that I have agreed with, your higher intelligence is to be commended. To the rest of you crazy assholes, ADIOS.

-- Just (take@wild.guess), November 28, 2000.

It's been interesting. Thankz from ze Oz lurkerz...see you all around someplace else. Thanks again...

-- Pieter (zaadz@icisp.net.au), November 28, 2000.

Thanks for the memories.

Take a wild guess, I can't. Someone referring to Miss Piggy as a "goofy bitch". Even though I agree I don't recall anyone saying that about her.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), November 28, 2000.

OTFR, thank you very much for providing hours of interesting entertainment. I appreciate the work involved in this and understand completely your position. Good luck and best wishes.

-- Casey DeFranco (caseydefranco@mindspring.com), November 28, 2000.

O -

Happy trails...

-- flora (***@__._), November 28, 2000.

Just (take@wild.guess), I had to look up your IP to see who you were, as I'm not good at wild guesses. I'm surprised to see you're still around. I'm surprised to see Peterz too.

"Your post begs the question: “If you have stayed away from this forum for so long then why now do you suddenly have a problem?" "

I thought I made it clear above, it's not a sudden problem. It's simply that I don't see a purpose to this forum for quite some time now, but have kept the forum alive because most people still enjoyed it. Simply, this morning when I logged on and saw the same old from Andy Ray's accusations and Squire's complaints, it was the final nudge that tiped me over to finally give in to what I've been wanting to do anyway. Trying to be a fair moderator is a thankless job with precious few rewards, and the inner rewards I was getting (letting free speech loose and facts would find their way here, in regards to Y2K), has gone, since Y2K has come and gone and life goes on better than ever for me. I personally don't enjoy discussing everything and anything on an un-moderated forum. There are ways to disagree civilly without being censored, and I have found just such a forum. In other words, I guess you can say I'm burned-out from too much negativity and not enough rewards.

"Andy Ray is not trying to shut this place down anymore than the hundreds of posts by our resident nutbag, ‘Hawk’. It is the diversity of the participants that make this place so much fun, for most of us. Hell, many of the ‘regulars’ here know each other personally but my guess is that they will ‘miss the mix’, if you know what I mean. "

I understand what you're saying, but by my standards, Hawk isn't the only "resident nutbag".

"As regards Diane Squire, who gives a rat’s ass what that goofy bitch is moaning about? Most of us had our fill of that sorry woman last year and I find it amazing Chris, that you would allow yourself to be manipulated by this foolish person. Go figure. "

I have a soft spot for people who want to be left alone, whether I see eye to eye with them or not. I didn't see eye to eye with Diane Squire and the other moderators on old TB2K, hence why I started this forum. It's my basic philosophy in life that if I want my privacy to be respected that I should respect those of all human beings, no matter who they are. I could not force people to respect my privacy or those of others, but I could remain anonymous as OTFR and I could help others who asked me to keep their identity and whereabouts off this forum. I did this for anyone who asked me, no matter who they were. Hawk was an exception one time. He pushed the envelope too far with his porno pic one time too many, and I lost control, exposing him as the poster. I regret that, because I broke my promise to all and to myself. I had done what I despised from some moderators on old TB2K.

I never let anyone manipulate me. My greatest frustration on this forum has always been trying to get EVERYONE to understand that. Nobody's my friend, nobody's my enemy. I never gave a rat's ass about anything on this forum except free speech, and some decency and privacy.

OTFR

-- Old Time Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Pity. The forum was rolling along rather well without "moderation." Did you consider handing the "keys" to someone else? There are a number of individuals who might serve as moderator. Flint comes immediately to mind as I think he has no interest in actually moderating... a perfect qualification.

I am also puzzled by your "burnout" on a forum you have chosen to ignore. How burdensome can it be? How are you responsible for other people's actions towards Diane Squire? Or for Andy Ray's incessant chatter? While I appreciate your decision to start the forum, you have ended the conversation with a whimper (and a whine)... not a bang.

The termination of the forum reminds me of Yourdon's run to EZB... or Steve Heller's flight to the MENSA+ board. I suppose this will be another ghost town, similar to the original TB 2000. So it goes.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@att.net), November 28, 2000.

And a good time you did of it as well, OTFR.

I guess I can see your point. I'd always wondered how long a Y2K labeled forum could keep going, if for no other reason than that the Y2K label will discourage new participants.

May I assume, however, that if those that claim the new millenium is really this year, and if it turns out our computers agree and decide to stop working on January 1, 2001, you will re-open the forum?

-- E.H. Porter (Just Wondering@about.it), November 28, 2000.

Well this just about makes my day perfect. I witnessed a beautiful chocolate Lab get hit by a car on my way home, and now this. Fuck.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

I also volunteer to moderate this board. If you are in a mood it all to do this, OTFR, let me know. I can share it with Bob and whoever else wants it. Let us know and I will e-mail you my e-mail address.(I am too upset to say anything else right now).

-- FutureSock (gray@matter.think), November 28, 2000.

OTFR...

-- Peg (pegmcleod@mediaone.net), November 28, 2000.

‘FutureSock’ Freudian slip there laddie? The beauty of this forum has been the non-involvement of the moderator (OTFR), with few exceptions. The very thought of having a burnt-out left winger like you holding the keys should make folks puke. Think I’ll pass.

-- I (h@ve.spoken), November 28, 2000.

I have chilled a bit now.

OTFR, many thanks for this board. We who have found new friends here are in your debt.

I too will add my name to the list of willing moderators, Mrs D might not like that, since I am, in her words "computer internet boy" now as it is. But, I would be fair and even handed about it, deleting not much other than porno, and then again, if I like that particular porno pic....well...anyway,

All who read this post

Let us not scatter like milkweed seeds, IMHO this board is a good thing. We need to decide where we are going to meet, stay tuned please.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

I got a weird feeling about this uncensored spinoff board. Does anyone know who netscape is?

If someone is going to have access to privy information, I think it should be someone that we know and trust. My vote is for unkD.

So sorry to hear about your day unk. I am sad for you and for the dog and for it's family.

-- just me (sitting@thisone.out), November 28, 2000.

OTFR,

I wish to take a moment as well, to add my thanks to you for giving us this place to voice our thoughts. Right or wrong our thoughts were, you allowed us to say what we felt. My hat is off to you for offering a place just to sit and hang our hats without fear of being deleted or (worse yet) silenced.

To the others, you know that we sometimes talk at Bok's chat room. I have been missing from there as well as here lately. Maybe we should call a meeting together to discuss these developments, and how we wish to continue. (I for one would love for Unk to be a moderator, as I have determined over time that Unk is indeed a very fair person.)

Again, a simple Thank You!

Sheeple

ps - Unk - sorry to hear about your day.

-- (Sheeple@Greener.Pastures), November 28, 2000.

OTFR, thanks a million for starting the forum and for persevering through the worst of the HTML attacks. Good luck with your new buddies and don't look back. We forum regulars can fend for ourselves.

As you pointed out, so long as somebody is willing to take the hot seat as moderator, Phil will provide the server space. Heck, a lateral move to a new Greenspun forum would be no sweat for any one of us who wasn't taking on the moderator duty. All we need is a willing lamb for the slaughter.

[Whistles... ] Here, lamby! Yoo-hooo! Lamby-pie!

FWIW, I have no qualms about preserving my anonymity - what anonymity? Those who do worry can use an anonymizer. Then even the moderator won't be able to trace you.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), November 28, 2000.

Would like to chime in here, too, OTFR, and say thanks. It's been terrific for me; I've really gotten (?is that a word)?) to know alot of people here that I never would have otherwise. And I have some new friends thanks to this place.

Hope y'all wind up on Poole's board (or just let me know where you go, 'K?).

Happy Holidays, OTFR and all~~

Unk, you had me in tears. Sorry.

-- Patricia (PatriciaS@lasvegas.com), November 28, 2000.

So many thoughts flow through my mind...

OTFR, a simple thanks for your service. Thank you for providing this place, where I met more quality people in six months then I had in my previous thirty-five years combined. Speaks sadly about my life up until now, but also glowingly of the attraction of souls to this board. Something special occurred here every day. Or so it seemed to this participant.

TB2K Spinoff Uncensored has passed on, but will reincarnate in another form, with another name (please God, with another name). We have an opportunity to dictate where and when, to name it, nurture it and each other. We can mourn our losses and plan the new board simultaneously. Sheeple's mention of Bok's chatroom is a good one. For those of you who've never set cyber-foot into the room, please make tonight your first foray.

Bok's Chat

Password: newt

I'm working late this evening, but I should be home by 10pm EST. I'll see you there.

To those of you taking off for greener pastures, may health, wealth and wisdom be in your futures.

Best - Rich

-- Bingo1 (howe9@shentel.net), November 28, 2000.

And let me add my thanks, too, OTFR! I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavers, and I hope that the upcoming holiday season is one of good cheer for you and yours.

-- (kb8um8@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

OTFR, thanks for having provided the fertile ground to enable a remarkable virtual community to take root.

I have begun making the transition to Poole's Roost and to Uncensored Spinoff.

-- David L (bumpkin@dnet.net), November 28, 2000.

I have:

Couldnt pass up one last insult, eh? too bad. Well touche-we have flamed each other, and since this was an uncensored forum you are entitled to your opinion. But those who know me know I would be an excellant moderator, as my actions have always spoken to free speech.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), November 28, 2000.

Yeah I vote for Unk too. As long as he continues to allow me to rib him about his mezimerization with Howard Stern.

Good Luck OTFR!

-- Ben (here@done.that), November 28, 2000.

Unk's forum Unk's Wild Wild West

-- k (k@a.n), November 28, 2000.

That is Unk's new LUSENET forum, as per your requests. Unk - Moderator

Give him till about 8:45pm to get it fully functional, thanks.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), November 28, 2000.

Hey..it's working. I just posted there..! :-)

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), November 28, 2000.

God help me, but the free for all can now continue unabated at my forum. I shall be fair to all, even Hawk and Andy Ray.

I shall use my God-like power wisely.

Amen.

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Wild Wild West would have been a good choice of name for this forum here if I could have changed it. And Uncle Deedah would have been a good choice if I could give anyone the keys to this forum. But I can't. Doing that would be to break the implicit trust given to me as moderator from anyone who posted here anonymously.

If you all just change your bookmarks for Unk's forum, you'll not feel this forum closing. It will remain here if you need it as reference.

OTFR

-- Old Time Forum Regular (freespeech@yahoo.com), November 28, 2000.

Well, I for one would think that Future Shock would make a good moderator (even if he does support Gore, we just wouldn't let him recount any votes ;-) ).

-- butt nugget (catsbutt@umailme.com), November 28, 2000.

OTFR, perhaps I slept. When did dastardly Dianne attack you? I did not see the font feud. After all, the Hell this forum has been through for the over two years, how can you beg off now, because of some isolated, insult, you claim to have happened? I wandered over to your link, nobody there for the past six months. Dead threads, those are. This forum was more than Y2K, it was about communication and partnership. It brought insight, and made me get out of my shell and visit the local community. To learn, that when gas prices rose, those with less income than mine, still had to pay the gas prices, in order to get to work, but they had to depend on the local food kitchen, because they could not pay extra for gas, and buy groceries too. I did not make this crap up, I saw it, I heard others, who saw it. I went into a Goodwill resale store, saw a Father with four young children, He was buying his kids, school shoes there. We think everyone can shop at K-Mart or Wal-Mart. Not all can. Then heard on a local swap-a-thon radio station, that one family had no heat. Asking for someone to donate a used space propane or kerosene heater. Thank God Almighty! Someone called in, with a heater, willing to give it away. Ripple effect. Your choice, you decide.

-- My Story (andI@sticking.com), November 28, 2000.

then close it, dammit! it is getting kind of sickening around here! nothing but politics!

-- ed (edrider007@aol.com), November 28, 2000.

Thank God it's all come to an end! It was never the same after Ed's TB2000 left for greener pastures. This forum was an aftermath, a place for dissenting refugees to plant their feet until the hatchet fell again. This place really tried to make a go, but in the long run, it lacked substance and credibility. Can we say thank you Ladyillogic, all things must come to an end. Happy trails to all.

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~.xcom), November 28, 2000.

Not letting this thread end like this. The last comment was so devoid of truth I have no words to decribe it. There was more substance here in the last 8 months than all four years in my high school. Thanks everyone for the enlightenment, and as I am so close to tears right now I must sign off.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), November 29, 2000.

It's been a slice, actually many slices, and I'm willing to part on those terms. But still, it is a little sad.

-- Will (righthere@home.now), November 29, 2000.

When I started a G lobal Warming forum a few days ago, I had no idea that OTFR was about to closer this site.

You are all welcome at the new forum, and of course, all topics will be welcome.

-- Malcolm Taylor (taylorm@es.co.nz), November 29, 2000.

FS,

I don't know if you will check back in on this thread but if you do,come on over to Unks and I'll buy you a cold one : )

Ps: This kinda feels like the last episode of Cheers.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), November 29, 2000.

capnfun, feeling lonely?

Then head on over to the Wild Wild West forum, where everyone knows your name, and meet your new bartender, Uncle Deedah!

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), November 29, 2000.

This board can go take a flying leap. Many of the "posters" here have been juvenile assholes, and treated others like shit. IMO, you can drop off the fucking planet. It's obvious that you're now in your 3rd generation of "inbreeding", and with each generation, the "genetic defects" just keep getting more concentrated. Have fun playing with each other, troll pukes. Now go fuck yourselves...

(This post is not intended for those "regular" folks who found a home here. The ones I'm speaking to KNOW who they are.)

-- no one here (-@-.-), November 29, 2000.

Take care Hawk.

-- SydBarrett (dark@side.moon), November 29, 2000.

Wow

I do my bi-weekly check in here and find that trolls have closed this place. bummer. Not that I posted much, but it was nice to have an uncensored voice to refute the lies that were spread on the old Stinkbomb2000 forum.

I hope this forum stays in the database, just in case any future researchers want to find out the truth about the online y2k debate (not that I think anyone will give a R's A in about two years!)

-- Super Polly (FU_Q_Y2KFREAKS@hotmail.com), November 29, 2000.

This board can go take a flying leap.

Hawk your warmth leaves a glow in our hearts as usuall.

Be sure to bookmark Unk's Wild Wild West site Hawk.

Everyone else use this one here.

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), November 29, 2000.

I do my bi-weekly check in here and find that trolls have closed this place.

Yes, you (polly) trolls closed it down. Good for you. (clapping and cheering here). May you all slink back into the slime of anonymity just as Gary North has done.

And no, I'm not Hawk. Really. But I was one of your favorite targets for invective, late in the game. Now go fuck yourselves. (After all, it's the only sex most of you will ever get.)

Piss off!

-- no one here (-@-.-), November 29, 2000.

Everyone else use this one here .

Errr...lemme revise that...everyone BUT Andy Ray! Andy Ray, we have a special Quotably Quoted Link just for you!

-- Ain't Gonna Happen (Not Here Not@ever.com), November 29, 2000.

I will not be driven from this place of nurture and wisdom. I will continue to post on this thread until the cows come home. Mooooooooo.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), November 29, 2000.

Geeze, and just when I was coming out of my bad mood and willing to post good stuff here too, most of it exact information about embedded LED's in video advertising in Times Square in NY, New York.

Bush Sucks!

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), November 29, 2000.

"no one here (-@-.-), November 29, 2000. " sounds like Steve 'crybaby' Heller

PS- Gore is an embarrassment to our nation

-- (gore@sucks.bad), November 29, 2000.

OK, Lars, this will be the longest thread in Greenspun history.

Day by day, week by week, more will be spun until swine can fly...

*grunt* *grunt*

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), November 29, 2000.

: ) LOL!!!

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), November 29, 2000.

So what are we going to talk about today to keep this going?

-- SydBarrett (dark@side.moon), November 30, 2000.

So what are we going to talk about today to keep this going? ===============================================

hmmm, why can't we tickle ourselves?

-- I'm ok_UR ok (all@right.com), November 30, 2000.

Big tech wreck today in the stock market.

Gateway (2000) to the south!

Bwahahahahaha!!!

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), November 30, 2000.

Not much to say to those who went spastic and hoarded enough food to feed a family of six for six months. I today, ate a can of strawberries from my hoard. Strawberries on steriods, they were Big and mushy. Sweet too. And I still live. By the way, I haven't bought any toilet paper for almost two years. I used to hate it when the t.p. took up most my grocery cart. Different way of thinking. Your Call, you decide.

-- After All, It is only Rock & Roll (andI@likeit.com), November 30, 2000.

"Gateway (2000) to the south!"

COOL!!! I love the beach.

-- capnfun (capnfun1@excite.com), December 01, 2000.

damn -- don't come around often enough I guess!!! Well it's been grand. Keep the thread going guys - nowhere else can really compare now, can it?

don't think so :-)

-- (doomerstomer@usa.net), December 01, 2000.

doom, Do TRY the wild west, I'm sure you'll be surprised :-)))

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), December 01, 2000.

Unk's Wild Wild West

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Unk's%20Wild%20Wild% 20West

-- How (to@get.there), December 01, 2000.

No forum ever actually *closes* unless the entire thing gets removed from the Db.

http://anon.fre e.anonymizer.com/http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-post-new.tcl?t opic=TB2K%20spinoff%20uncensored

Pretty easy to do.

Chris will eventually get tired of deleting new threads, and if enough people keep posting, she will have to just ignore us.

-- blah blah blah (.zxcg;ubwe@.,dsjgpbaerg.nx,hjge), December 01, 2000.

More likely, blah, is that she'd contact Greenspun to close the forum, and we'd lose access to all the archives. Please don't do that.

-- krittsky (kritter@adelphia.net), December 01, 2000.

thanks sumer! CYA there soon. If UNK holds the keys, it can't be too bad :-)

-- (doomerstomper@usa.net), December 02, 2000.

Many years ago, I was playing Trivial Pursuits with my parents and spouse, and I was aksed the question: What was the name of the world's first discotheque?

Strange to say, I knew the answer. I do not claim any merit for this. My parents used to subscribe to Time magazine when I was young, and when I got home from school, I would bring in the mail. I got into the habit of reading Time on the day it arrived, while waiting for my dad to come home and make supper. You learn a lot of strange facts that way.

The really weird thing is, when you haven't thought about some trivial little thing since the day you learned it. Then something comes along to tickle the right nuerons and you discover, to your jaw-dropping amazement, that some piece of information you picked up casually, literally decades ago is still there!

BTW, the discotheque was named Whiskey A'Go-Go. It was located in Paris, France. I think the article in Time was under Modern Living, or some such trash bin category used for padding out the magazine and relieving the horror of the main news items.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 02, 2000.

Does anyone here use toothpicks? There's one on my Swiss Army knife, so I use it from time to time. It is plastic, but it works fine.

Heck, is anyone here at all?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 03, 2000.

Um, nope, looks empty to me.

Sadly exits and goes on down the 'cyber hall'.

-- sumer (shh@aol.con), December 03, 2000.

This afternoon my auto's audio CD-player finally broke down and ate a CD.

Its last meal was CULTOSAURUS ERECTUS by Blue Oyster Cult.

I can't extract the stuck CD, even when I was yanking on it with pliars.

Now I have to get it repaired, which won't be cheap.

I wore the dang thing out.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 03, 2000.

Brian,

Bringin' 'round to you & to Unk's, I will answer something there & here at the same time {you see, I not only possess a merit badge for trivia - but a secret decoder ring for pretzel logic, as well!}.

I saw The Tubes at the Whiskey {it's in LA, by the way}. The Whiskey resembles a 'human sardine can' more than a discoteque. It's the place where The Boss could come into to town to do a 'secret' intimate gig & the cognoscenti would turn out; & truly great bands with devout small audiences would put on amazing shows. {Fabulous memories from there - thanks for bringing them back, gang}.

"Whiskey A Go Go Finds Global Audience By Joanna Lux

Whisky A Go-Go.com:

LA's rock 'n' roll scene was born when the Whisky A Go-Go landed on the Sunset Strip in 1964. From rock to punk to metal, countless monumental nights of music happened inside the "world's first discotheque."

The brand new site is an online museum that preserves the club's glory days while helping define its future. Special features include comprehensive archives, five streaming stations of Whisky radio, and artist of the month."

-- flora (***@__._), December 04, 2000.

I go on one lousy business trip and the place shuts down. Oh well, it's been fun.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), December 04, 2000.

It ain't over 'til the fat lady does something or other, or maybe not, but then again, um, ok...

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 04, 2000.

Guess you lost my latest response. By design? I told you, I would always support whatever latest revocation, I had to add. I am and come from a Family of "Truth Seekers". I offer you, this opportunity. From one who will search, until a truth be known. Free of charge. Makes your mind spind, doesn't it?.

-- Will not listen (toany@bullshit.com), December 04, 2000.

OTFR,

I

Here's a high-five from me, babe. Thanks for doing a great job over the last year. Most likely, nobody but your family will know of your boundless patience and goodness of heart, but I've learned of your depths to a small degree and I wanted to say it's a pleasure to have known you. I hope you find fulfillment in your new endeavors and may you take the lessons you have learned with you. It's taken me a lot longer, but I have learned by your example and I want to thank you for that.

Take care and chose peace...

-- (Netsc@pe 6.0), December 05, 2000.

Speaking of giraffes... they must have a heart the size of a casaba melon to pump all that blood all the way up their necks to feed their brains! Then again, everything they eat has to travel all the way down to their stomachs - it's a wonder the food hasn't fermented by the time it gets there. Imagine if they were cud chewers!

Also, do any other animals suffer from varicose veins, or is it just we humans?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 05, 2000.

Well, Brian, I believe that some humans suffer from variocose brains.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 05, 2000.

I understand Nepal has over 40 varieties of rhododendron. Here in the Oregon Cascades, I usually only see one variety - it's pink. But it is still beautiful when it blooms.

Does anybody here remember the first names of Mr. Sears and Mr. Roebuck?

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 05, 2000.

>> Take care and chose peace... <<

I swear... I am a sucker for cheese. Kinda rhymes with peace. I can't get enough of that wonderful stuff. A chunk of good aged Stilton or Cheddar goes mighty well with apple pie! Yum!

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 05, 2000.

As OTFR said:

>> This forum has over extended it's original purpose and usefulness.<<

All I can say is: I can tell you the exact place where I last saw a snake swimming. It was at a place in the Oregon Cascades, near Ollalie Butte, called Cigar Lake.

The reason I remember so well is that I have a photo of me at Cigar Lake up over my home computer. It was taken there that day. In the photo I'm wearing shorts (those zip-off leg kind of shorts that can double as pants), a chambray shirt that is so old it is super soft, and a big smile. The sun is shining because it is August (1999).

Since then I'vce seen other snakes, but none swimming.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 05, 2000.

Brian, I hate to compare myself, with a snake, once seen, but not now swimming. Some of us, still swim, and refuse the bait. We seem to be a small majority, We are not all dead. We are the Grandmothers, who seek, to protect you all. May Heaven Protect, all our "chillen", cause we loved them, from the moment you drew your first breath. As God as my Stance, We Will attempt to protect them, to the end of times. My Story, and I am sticking. Don't you wish for your Grandmother, to take the same stance?

-- Keep on trucking (forever@andever.com), December 05, 2000.

Brian-great sense of humor. I myself welcome your humorous anecdotes should you choose to keep posting them here.

I am gone, but not forgotten.

-- FutureShock (gray@matter.think), December 06, 2000.

Brian,

Can those *zip-off leg kind shorts* be a possible cause of varicose veins?

What if the zipper gets stuck?

Binding with constriction... then varicose veins followed by gangrene... and then amputating because of fashion.

Could you free the stuck zipper with your pocket-knife plastic toothpick?

Swimming snakes have this very interesting weaving pattern when they glide on the surface of the water.

Large water dwelling dinosaurs made tidal waves for little aquatic creatures.

When Brontosaurus farted underwater, this flatulence probably blasted the surrounding fish out of the water for many meters, much like some fisherman who dynamite fishing locales.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 06, 2000.

>> Can those *zip-off leg kind shorts* be a possible cause of varicose veins? ...What if the zipper gets stuck?... Could you free the stuck zipper with your pocket-knife plastic toothpick? ... <<

I will soon be writing the grant proposal to get the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to study these vexing questions. I can't decide if it would be better received at the Ford Foundation, The Endowment For the Humanities, or the Ice Follies.

As for dinosaur flatulence, the fossil record is inconclusive, fretful, shallow, and possessing a questionable sense of style. More study is indicated. Preferably by someone with impeccable taste and a spotless reputation for matching their purse to their socks. I will become available only after my zipper study is completed.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 07, 2000.

Pinwheels - love 'em or leave 'em to those who know what they're good for.

-- Brian McLaughlin (brianm@ims.com), December 07, 2000.

Pinwheels?

Well, what about those beanie caps with plastic propellers?

I surmise they have the same usefulness as lawn ornament pink flamingoes... which is questionable...

And to settle this Dinosaurier flatus conundrum:

Water dwelling herbivores probably excreted mammoth amounts of methane gas, which in conparison to modern bovines, would greatly exceed the allowable limits *under a Gore administration*.

So what if during one particular year of abundantly fruitful vegetative growth, those herbivores indulged their appetites and *farted famously* during volcanic eruptions?

Would not that be a valid demise for the dinosaurs?

And did the mammals survive because they utilized gas masks formed from fine grasses?

Details, details, details...

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 09, 2000.

Ergo, this thread is extinct...

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), December 11, 2000.

Let's see if this is disabled or not...

-- Philip Greenspun (philg@mit.edu), March 27, 2003.