Can you remember a time when a same-sex or platonic friendship hit the rocks (or was incredibly supportive)? I'm curious to hear stories as I'm researching an article on lunar phases. There seem to be times when friendship (not love 'n' stuff) gets stressed out, depending on your birthday. I'd love to hear stories (with YOUR birthdate, the birthdate of your friend, if known) and the general times when the friendship ruptured. Or was thoroughly and solidly agreeable.

If this message is inappropriate for the board, or needs to be edited, have at it. I just thought this would be a good place to post since everyone here seems thoughtful and sensitive, and, most importantly, observant. Thanks!

Symboline Dai www.moonsigns.net (also, the Boston Phoenix and audible.com)

(e.g., a Scorpio client of mine has NO truck with gemini men but plenty of gemini WOMEN in her life...).

-- Anonymous, July 04, 2001

Answers

Symboline,

I am probably the balance to your friend, then, as I am a Gemini and do very well with Scorpio friends, both male and female. I am married to a Scorpio and two of my dearest friends (female) are Scorpios as well. (Plus one son a Scorpio, one a Libra.)

I think this depends too entirely on the individuals (how they were raised, economic and sociological backgrounds, communicative abilities, etc.) and not the birth sign, unless you happen to be the kind of person who puts a lot of faith in signs, rather than the individuals. (In other words, while I'd be interested in seeing your results, I hope your study includes an equal number of people who do not believe that birth signs make a difference and see what the ultimate results turn out to be and not just those for whom astrology and birth dates / signs are relevant.)

-- Anonymous, July 04, 2001

Right away I knew that we were headed for double trouble. Though the moon was out and fully lit, we were twins riding on a tandem bike on at night through San Francisco streets dotted with three inch deep potholes that reminded me of a chicken pox scarred kid whose mother, in an unfortunate gamble, had used hot tar instead of calimine lotion to stop the itching.

Unice, my sister and possibly best friend of all time, yelped in agony as we hit the first unfilled cavity of the unkempt, poorly maintained streets. "Bitch.", I heard her mutter. I dismissed it, thinking only how lucky we were not to have blown a tire.

"Dammit!", she cried, as we hit another. This time I felt the impact too. The unforgiving, faux leather banana shaped bicycle seat shot up into my pelvic warmth and immediately my lower parts felt as though they'd been stung by the unspliced end of an electrical plug. It was a hard, numbing jolt, the kind that makes you want to go to the bathroom and check on your ovaries.

"Ever hear of keeping your eyes open when you drive!?!", she yelled. I turned my head to look over my shoulder and was just about to say sorry, when bam! Another pothole.

"BITCH!", she screamed. The handlebars twisted inward, the front tire spun perpendicular to the bike frame and in one of those quick as a flash moments that seems to last forever, I felt my body being catapulted over the steering bar while simultaneously catching a glimpse of my terrified, (but rather stunning considering the circumstances), eyes in its shiney chrome.

Over and over I tumbled. The hard concrete did nothing to break my fall, but it, coupled with gravity, did supply enough friction on my knees, elbows and cheeks to stop my perilous tumble.

"You stupid slut tramp whore!", was the last thing I heard, but, the last thing I saw was Unice, airborne in a screaming fit of agony. Just before the bike fell over, she had pounced like a great tigeress about to devour her prey in a paved pothole divoted African desert. She landed on top of me, her big triple D breasts collided with my own triple D breasts. We tumbled off of the street, up onto the sidewalk onto a grassy knoll and rolled into big pile of mud. Our shirts were torn to bits. Our lycra shorts shredded on contact, ripping open doing little to hide the fact that we both preferred to go sans undies. The experience was dramatic and shockingly sexual, but we're closer than ever now all thanks to that mystical midnight enchantress we call moon.

-- Anonymous, July 05, 2001

Dear Three Moons, dear 3 moons... uhhh.....very interesting but not EXACTLY what I was looking for. here's what I want.

My friend was born on (month, day, year), and I was born on (month, day, year). On this day (month, day, year, or as close as you can come) this TERRIBLE/WONDERFUL thing happened between us.

In other words I need SPECIFIC DATES -- thanks!

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

Rudie, go easy on her, she's not a Xeney regular.

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

Symboline I think I luv you. I actually do think you're proposing an interesting topic. I love it when people try to infuse science into their flavor of mumbo jumbo. It makes my christian non evolutionary system of belief feel good to have the company. And if anyone needs to be infused it's those uptight white lab coat wearing scientist -- am I right or am I right?

Ok girl, let's start. Platonic same sex relations... hmm... let's see. Mmmm, ok, this isn't going to be as easy as I thought. I don't have any real data to go on. I do have same sex platonic relationships but I don't think I've ever had a bitch fight in any of them - at least not one that I could blame on the moon. Oh oh oh -- I know! It's not about me but, there was this one girl her b-day is in the middle of July and this other girl who's b-day is in February. They were friends but they had a minor tiff, or falling out if you will. I believe the date was around, crap. I can't remember. I'd probably get into trouble for bringing it up anyway. They're two of my most fav cyber vixens and I don't wanna be in their doghouses. (Chained naked in their basements, maybe.)

Oh what the hell. I think it was around January sometime. Not sure though.

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

oh yeah - they're both right around thirty years old so I think they were born in the early 50's or something.

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

Rudeboy, I'm going to get that other girl over here and have her kick your ass. I'm feeling a little too elderly to do it myself.

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

I've dreamed of such a moment. We hafta think up a name though so we could always remember it though. I was thinkin' something like "PerfectThreeWayAThon" or "ToughLoveAndTheArtOfGettin'ItOnACon".

-- Anonymous, July 06, 2001

Hmmm.....am I asking at the wrong time? Sometimes it seems like EVERYONE has some paltale to share....

Maybe I should wait until the Venus/Mars opposition later this month....

-- Anonymous, July 08, 2001

Have no tale to tell, just want ya'll to know I'm listening. Symboline, I'm female and have platonic female friendships that are important to me. We've had many verbal/emotional bashings, only to make up and be closer. Can't really point to anything cyclical. You know how it goes ... girl's got to speak up and declare herself, and also swallow it whole when she's proved utterly, horribly wrong. Hate both equally.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Damb (tip o' the hat to rudie) -- I spend so much time online that I can actually understand this thread. No wonder my billings are down this year. . . .

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

My birthday: 7/18, Friend's birthday: 4/8. Major falling out: 4/4. The friendship will never be the same.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

0T: Muffet, welcome to the 7/18 Club. It's you, me, Slickery, and Lunesse, as far as I know. If you're going to be 32 this year, you get to join the very exclusive Beth and Slickery 7/18/69 Club. If you were born in a military hospital, you are our long-lost clone sister, probably of alien origin, just like on the X-Files.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Wow. I knew I shared a birthday with you, Beth, but I didn't realize about the other two! I asked Rudeboy what he was going to get me for my birthday, and he said, "Some fucking manners." hee.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Once I shared a birthday (11/11) with my girlfriend's ex boyfriend. She believed in astrology, and would tout out the birthday thing every time she was really mad at me, as a way to "prove" what an asshole I am.

There are much easier ways to prove that I'm an asshole than that, I'm sure.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Yes, Muffett's answer was just what I was looking for -- if the 4/4 refers to this year, for example, the astro data at that moment was interesting indeed....

Also, that Aries/Cancer connection can be very tricky to navigate, whether love or friendship. Business, it works best because both folks understand/accept radical differences in temperament. But generally how it goes is: Aries gets irked, speaks without thinking, Cancer gets hurt, refuses to talk about it.

Sorry about your friend, M -- 3rd wk of August could be helpful to "unravel" that, if you're feeling like you're missing something.....

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Interesting, Sym. Except that I said something that hurt her feelings - it was unintentional. She's 4/8/68, I'm 7/18/66, if that makes a difference. I know I have a leo moon and rising. The incident did happen this year.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Hmmm, Muffet. Well, let me offer this. Your friend is REALLY impetuous -- impatient, quick to act, quick to anger, gets into trouble with folks at work because of being "too picky." Money trouble? Consistently, mostly because of a lack of "vision" in terms of what needs to happen before X needs to happen. She's got some really tricky personal astrology, but when sympathy's what's needed -- wow, there's plenty.....

For what it's worth, Muffet, if you care about this person, she needs someone with solid cancerian values to say You'll get 'em next time tiger....

Practicing-once-again-without-a-by-your-leave-yours-etc.-Sym

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

very curious to know what went wrong with a former friend of mine. she was born 1/6/72 (i think that's the day) and me: 5/8/72. beginning of april, 1995, we went our separate ways. (don't know exact day, but it was building for some time anyway) terrible falling out after a close same-sex friendship. any insight would be much appreciated. note: i usually am most compatible with water signs, though i'm an earth sign. she was earth- capricorn.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

Got another one. Me 7/18/66, She: 6/21/72. Friendship died around Thanksgiving 1997. She was a psycho and a liar and I broke off our friendship.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001

I have had a friendship that has lasted through thick and thin. I am June 1/77 and she is Dec 3/63. We've never had a major fight or anything. Another lasting friendship that has never had a ruffle is with my friend born Jan 30/76.

Too bad we can't include relatives because I have a twin sister and we fight like anything - she is as completely opposite to me as is possible.

-- Anonymous, July 09, 2001