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I started boarding dogs, on a very small scale, earlier this year. I only keep between 1-3 dogs at a time, and I walk them for an hour each morning and again at night, plus they are in and out of the run during the day when I am working around the property. In spite of all the walking, I find that I still occassionally have to clean up dog waste from inside the pen. I decided to compost the waste using worms and a continuous flow reactor, and have just finished building a prototype which I am about to stock up with worms. I know that there have been commercial vermicomposters sold commercially which were specifically designed to handle dog wastes, but it just occurred to me to wonder about the effect of worming medications. I frequently process horse manure in my worm bins and know that the horse wormers will kill off earthworms- we simply do not use fresh manure when we know the horses have been recently wormed. But, what about these once-a-month wormers for dogs? Does anyone know if they are harmful to earthworms? And, if so, for how long? The entire month? Jay, do you know anything about this? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
-- Elizabeth (ekfla@aol.com), January 19, 2002
Some of the dog dewormers medications contain chemicals that are the same as those medications used to deworm horses. As there are several different medications and combinations of medications used to deworm dogs, seems that you will need to find out what the dog owners are using to deworm their dogs. If the dog owners are using dewormer medications that you know about, from your experience with horse dewormer medications, then you can make some assumptions based on your experience. Hope this helps, just too many unknowns to get more specific.
-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
Whyever do you use once-a-month chemical wormers on your dogs?
-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
Hey, I don't even own a dog!!! But, around here, heartworms are a big concern to those who do, and so they administer a once-a-month heartworm treatment.
-- Elizabeth (ekfla@aol.com), January 19, 2002.
OH........ok....thanks!
-- Earthmama (earthmama48@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
Heart worms? Just not to confuse anybody, I addressed my original answer on the premise that you were talking about round worms, hook worms and such. As I understand that medications to kill off these will affect vermiculture earthworms. I'll have to do some searching to find out about heart worm medications and its potential affects on vermiculuture.
-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
Composted dog feces is only appropiate for decorative plants and can actually harm some of them. After decomposition, it will still contain high levels of toxins which will leech to food crops. For this reason, I incinerate the dog feces I clean from my kennel, then spread the incinderate over a normally unused portion of my property.
-- Jay Blair in N. AL (jayblair678@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
Perhaps this post, Vermicides will answer some of your questions. Ivermectin is one of the common heart worm medications used once-a-month and is marketed under the brand name of Heartgard and Heartgard Plus is (Ivermectin + Pyrantel). Pyrantel is a common chenical/medication used in treating certain intestinal worms. There are at least six different drugs that I saw that are used to treat intestinal worms. I would expect all of these to be harmful to earthworms, if applied as in fresh manure. Apparently earthworms are able to carry/transmit cysts of round worms, so you might want to take this into consideration with your operation.From: Kelly Slocum
> To: compost@listproc.wsu.edu > Subject: Vermicides in livestock manure > Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 1:05 PM > > The family of drugs from which Ivermectin comes; the Avermectins, are > quite lethal to eathworms and a host of other arthropods associated with > the brekdown of organic matter. As is usually the case with these kinds > of situations, however, there is research which supports both sides of > the arguement 'are the vermicides a hazard or no't. I've been doing a > lot of research for this very topic for worm digest and wht I can tell > you is that Ivermectin and Doramectin, the most commonly used vermicides > in the world are easily broken down by ultrviolet light and in a > thermophilic compost pile. they are alos harmelss in AGED manure. > there is reason to suspect that these vermicides MAY be responsible for > decreased breeding rates and low populations in some vermicomposting > systems however, when fresh, uncomposted manure has been applied. > > Some other things you need to know are that livestock is not wormed all > the time and that not all livestock needs to be wormed. You can check > with the person from whom you get the manure to find when the last > worming was done on the animals which generated the manure you're > looking for. Ivermenctin remains in the body of the animal for about a > week, Doramectin for as long as three weeks. Manures generated during > these times should be composted before being used in your worm beds. > > In terms of compost piles, again, thermophilic treament destroys the > avermectins. Also, while it has been shown that these medications CAN > slow decomposition, it's also likley that moisture levels and climate > play a much greater role in the speed of decomposition than do > vermicides. > > These vermicides are very effective and safe for livestock. They should > not be viewed as "bad" materials but simply handled in such a way that > they have no negative impact on the remediation systems chosen. This is > very simple to do. Remember, worms prefer aged manure any way! > > Kelly Slocum > Vermiculture Specialist > Associate Editor, Worm Digest
-- BC (desertdweller44@yahoo.com), January 19, 2002.
I don't know the answer to your question, but I have the name of someone who will. Her Penny Bernas in Southern Ontario sells red wigglers for vermicomposters. She also sells a digester/composter for composting dog feces. Her email address is brandy@worldchat.com Hopefully, she's still at that address. I would think that she should be able to answer all your questions.
-- Bernie from Northern Ontario (Bernadette_kerr@hotmail.com), January 20, 2002.
Hi, Elizabeth! I don't know if this info will help but here goes. I've seen in a catalog (I'm trying to remember which one!) the digester/composter that Bernie wrote about. Basically, I got the impression that it is like an outhouse for doggy-poo. A hole is dug in the ground (don't know the size) and a plastic trap door is fitted on top. As you add the waste, every so often you add an enzyme which breaks it down. Now, if you could only train them to lift the trap door themselves...
-- Bren (wayoutfarm@skybest.com), January 21, 2002.
Bren,it is called the "Doggie Dooley" and you are right about how it works.
-- westbrook (westbrook_farms@yahoo.com), January 21, 2002.