Have you heard? What do you think?

-- Rags in Alabama (RaggedReb@aol.com), February 13, 2002

Answers

No, I don't know. I only know that you and I are the only people up at 3 A.M. I just got of work at 12 -- so what's your excuse ? What or where is Planet X ?

-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), February 13, 2002.

Yes, heard of it. Gets you really wondering doesn't it?? There are some really cool links......if I knew how to post them I would.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 13, 2002.

Yep. I have heard some. I think it is terrifically interesting that it is supposed to pass in late 2002 or early 2003 and the georgia Guidestones have the population reduction to be completed in 2003. I also find it interesting that the Bible promises signs in the heavens, and I am really glad that I trust God.

Diane, if you email the sites to me, I can post the links for you. Or you can just put them here. Do you know how to copy them from the browser bar? You just go to the site, put your cursor on the bar and highlight it, then hit command c, then you type your message and where you want to put the link hit command v. Hope that makes sense!

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 13, 2002.

No I haven't heard, but now you have my curiosity aroused. Just got home from work (back on the night shift again) and will check back tomorrow morning to see those links and whatever info you guys have. Will be able to stay up for awhile then. Time for ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

-- John in S. IN (jdoofus@hotmail.com), February 13, 2002.

O.K. found one link in my favorites and am going to try to do the link thing.

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-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 13, 2002.

by golly it worked!!! I might get the hang of this stuff yet. I think somewhere that there are some better links......did a google search and then didn't save anything cause I figured if I just kept my eyes on the Lord................there wasn't a whole hell of a lot I would do differently if it were all true.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 13, 2002.

we're too old to run to South Dakota..all I'd do is whine and complain......so will Alabama fall into the gulf or what?

-- lesley (martchas@bellsouth.net), February 13, 2002.

Chicken Licken was right, the sky is going to fall after all!

-- john hill (john@cnd.co.nz), February 13, 2002.

:wipes tear away from cheek: :tries to catch breath: Thanks for posting the link, I had no clue what you guys were originally talking about.

I haven't laughed that hard in a VERY long time. Funny Stuff.

-- StevenB (thicketyrowfarm@earthlink.nett), February 13, 2002.

Glad to see people smiling...........:>)

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 13, 2002.

It occoured to me that some of you might have been serious about this, and would not consider it a laughing matter. I meant no disrespect. The web site Diane hyperlinked (BTW Diane,congratulations on making the link successfully) was not, IMHO, credible. At all. It contradicts itself, contains half-truths, is logically implausible and really seems to be trying to relieve you of the burden of an extra $40.00 for his 'book'.

My Opinion. Your mileage may vary.

-- StevenB (thicketyrowfarm@eartlink.nett), February 13, 2002.

Gee, when I went to the site, the list price for the book was $14.95. I wonder why they were charging SteveB an extra $25?!

-- (hello?@duh.com), February 13, 2002.

For being a skeptic.

;^)

Senior moment on my part. Still seems like a sensationalistic way to sell a book.

-- StevenB (thicketyrowfarm@earthlink.nett), February 13, 2002.

Okay, I would like to see how many people here really think this is a possibility and how many think this guy is a little strange. I am willing to discuss this both ways, but I would just like to know if someone believes it. There are things in the article I think are interesting even though I'm afraid I cannot agree with this guy's conclusions.

Little bit Farm

-- Little bit farm (littleBit@compworldnet.com), February 13, 2002.

Take a look at Isaiah 24.

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), February 13, 2002.

Isaiah 24. Wonderful book, lovely chapter. Describes all sorts of judgement day/end times happenings. Thank You for sharing the reference, Rags.

Unfortunately, Planet 'X' or whatever you want to call it (I seem to remember the author mentioned above claimed the Hebrews called this thing 'Yahweh'), as protrayed by the above link, won't happen.

Seriously, based soley on the article, can you tell me exactly how big this nearly invisible proto-star is?

The size of Jupiter, he claims. 2-3 times the size of the Earth, he claims.

Well, Jupiter is about 1000 times the size of the earth and is about 88 times as massive. So which is it??

Is it just outside the orbit of pluto, or is it halfway here?

Remember this 'thing' is also orbiting an invisible 'companion' star to our sun that is 5 billion miles away. News Flash: Pluto is practically 4 billion miles away anyway. So if this thing is already half-way here from a 'companion' 'star' 5 billion miles away, that would put it already between Uranus and Neptune. But supposedly it hasn't entered the solar system yet.

??????????????????????

OK, its going to travel the last half of the distance, 2.5 billion miles or enter the solar system (4 billion miles: whichever comes first, I guess) and accelerate to roar past us in the last 90 days. Since we can't know the current velocity of this 'object' and I'm not aware of the current value for acceleration of mass for the sun, lets assume the average speed for it to get here. It has a mean total orbital velocity of about 317 mi/hr (10 billion mile trip/3600 year trip time) Practically standing still on a planetary scale (the earth orbits the sun at something like 18 miles per SECOND. the exact figure eludes me at the moment, but you get the idea.) He mentioned that because of the opposing gravitational pulls of the two suns(!!) when it reaches its halfway point, its going its slowest. Since we calculated mean velocity, we can assume that its actually going much slower at that magical half-way point. Therefore, for it to arrive here it in 90 days from that point, it would have travel a mean linear velocity of 1,157,407 miles an hour. From a practical standstill. Pretty steep acceleration curve, doncha think?? (for all you math purists, be kind and don't quibble; I'm simply trying to make a point) Comets only travel about 100,000 mph at their fastest. At over a million miles an hour, whats going to hold it together? Book royalties? We can't see it, but its been affecting our weather pattern for almost 7 years now. Why not the planets closest to it already? Jupiter ought to be simply going bonkers by now, f that were the case. It apparently is affected by gravity, is going to spin us like a top partly because of its massive gravity, but there is no danger of it hitting us because of an inexplicable, just now discovered (!!) force STRONGER than gravity that will simply keep the two bodies apart. Uh-huh. Sure. By the way, There is no Orion 'Galaxy'. The star constellation we know as Orion is composed of stars in OUR OWN galaxy. Orion is probably THE most photographed constellation on earth. There is a diffuse Nebula that is quite famous in Orion. No 'Orion Galaxy'. I know of guys that have scopes that cost more than some houses, who photograph Orion regularly. So where are all the pictures? (other than in 'the book') Since Orion is well off the plane of the elliptic (all of the planets, except pluto, orbit roughly on the same 'plane') and this massive object is apparently coming from the direction of Orion, (because of the 'twin star' being the other focii point for the orbit) why doesn't all of the planets obit in a plane parallell to this/these objects? poor pluto is only 1 billion miles away from it, and it has an elliptical orbit, but not angled in the plane towards orion. All this gravity should be AT LEAST pulling all of the gas giant planets towards orion. It ain't. Orion is also a northern-hemisphere constellation. Why go to New Zealand (other than for the breathtaking scenery) which is in the SOUTHERN hemisphere to photograph a northern hemishpere constellation?? Hopefully, I've made my point by now.

I dunno if there is going to be a catastrophic event spring of 2003. I'm not even trying to argue the point against pole shifting: but this hypothetical 'planet X' isn't what's going to cause it. Period. Thank You for your time.

-- StevenB (thicketyrowfarm@earthlink.nett), February 14, 2002.

Hey Little Bit, to answer your question in a round about sort of way....here it goes. When Rags mentioned this I remembered I had forgotten it. I believe I first heard of this either just prior to or just after 9-11. I went to the link and read it and filed it in my favorites list to read again critically as Steve has done, comparing to some factual information etc.

May take on it would be rather cynical I guess. Not that it would be completely wrong, don't know, but as a believer I would have to examine myself closely if I were to fear it. I DO REMEMBER thinking while I was reading it that perhaps I would find out in my life time which of the rapture beliefs would be true. I would much rather keep my eyes watching for my Lord coming than Planet X.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), February 14, 2002.

I first heard about this on Art Bell---!!!!!!---Then I read a blurb about it in Yahoo news, then an article in Scientific American. I haven't had time to peruse the site Diane linked to (btw Congratulations!) but there are some interesting correlations. We'll know soon enough! I need to look into it more before I can state a real opinion.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 14, 2002.

I'm waiting till it comes out on video!

-- John in S. IN (jdoofus@hotmail.com), February 14, 2002.

Whew, StevenB, with math skills like that you are writing on the wrong board, but boyhidee, you can come offer achitectural help on my house ANYTIME!

-- Rags in Amazement (RaggedRed@aol.com), February 14, 2002.

Oh, and by the way, for what it's worth, over at Zetatalk.com the "Zetas" have a nasty disclaimer about Hazelwood.

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), February 14, 2002.

SteveB, where are the pictures? Didn't you follow the links given? I tend to not base my opinion about the validity of a situation on only one source. And since this is the first time I've heard about Planet X, I'll be doing more research. Thanks, Rags for the other site. You're right, they're not too fond of the author from the first site mentioned.

-- Bren (wayoutfarm@skybest.com), February 14, 2002.

Please allow me to clarify an important point. I'm open to discussion about a possible 10th planet in the solar system outside the orbit of pluto. I don't think so, but I'm willing to listen. There is absoulutely, positively no way our sun is a binary. Could there be a 10th planet? Dunno. If there is, it certainly is NOT on a elliptical, inner planet, comet-like orbit. Doreen, Which issue of SA did they have an article on this?

Rags, we all came to this forum from different experiences, backgrounds and by different paths. Sometimes VASTLY different paths, experiences and backgrounds. I hope you weren't REALLY implying because I know a little astronomy and can do division, I don't belong here. Did you? Pal? Buddy? (not that I'm going anywhere, if you did. ;^) )

Bren, by deductive reasoning, I did do further research on this topic. Diane has obviously done research into this topic, and she went out on a limb (successfully, I might add) to attempt to post a link for us in an attempt to offer more information. She would not have attempted to post a hyperlink for her first time for a site she did not think was pretty darned near the top of her research for this issue. Diane is a frequent poster to several of these boards, and she seems like a pretty reasonable person. Good enough for me. Why re-invent the wheel? The 'pictures' I was referring to were from sources I know. I know of several amateur astrophotographers. They have no pictures. I did see the one on the web page listed that showed a fire-engine red dot on an apparent star field, supposedly from JPL. They may have taken the original picture, but somebody else doctored in the red dot. On no undoctored, visible-light astrophotography do Stars, proto-stars, or dead stars appear bright red. (there is no such thing as a 'smouldering' brown dwarf. Its like being partially pregnant-a star is lit or it isn't. Dying, yes. Smouldering, no.) I see no credible evidence that this thing has even been photographed. Why go on a wild goose chase?

Just my two cents, inflated by now to about $1.37 :^)

-- StevenB (Thicketyrowfarm@earthlink.nett), February 14, 2002.

Sorry, SteveB, I guess I didn't express myself clearly. :o) I wasn't talking about Diane's link but the links within that site, one of which was for Discovery.com. Do you really think Discovery would post a doctored photo?

-- Bren (wayoutfarm@skybest.com), February 14, 2002.

SteveB, Zetatalk.com has photos posted that were supposedly taken on Jan 5, 2002. No red dots. What do you make of them?

Zeta Photos

-- Bren (wayoutfarm@skybest.com), February 14, 2002.

Steven, I may not be right that it was Scientific American. It was in a friend's restroom about 2 months ago (I thought that was what it was- but I will not swear to it- it was Scientific something!) ...it was an oversized glossy publication...and it was a small article that didn't really come to any conclusion but talked about some of the patterns of astronomical movement that suggested it was a possibility.

I don't want to pretend that I even comprehend the physics involved in planetary movement, so I am out of this thread!;) I'll sit back and watch and have a look at some of these sites now.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), February 14, 2002.

I've had people tell me that you can't see the moon during the daytime, that it only 'comes out' at night. That 'shooting stars' are,in fact, real stars falling down the sky. I think I now know what website these people frequent. And believe.

The picture at 'discovery.com' is enhanced to show you what little point of light they are referring to. Until recently, so were almost all of the pictures of the outer planets and Mars. (its red too, remember. Its not glowing from within, and appears white when you actually go outside and look at it with your own eyes). The unhelped photos aren't 'gee whiz' enough for the newsfolks. Believe me.

I went to the picture link you kindly provided, Bren. The site clearly shows 3 pairs of pictures. A small one taken 50 years ago by the Palomar observatory on the left, and an enlarged enhanced view of the same picture done 50 years later with photoshop. The individual even tells you how he/she manipulated the picture. If that ain't being doctored up, what is? Photoshop is THE most used computer program in astrophotography. For just the reason it shows, it will help resolve details not easily done with other programs. This link seems more like a commercial for the program.

I assume that the 'Zeta' site is the most authoritative site on this matter. IMHO, It made the first link look like a post-graduate thesis. I really don't want to offend anybody, and if this stuff makes you happy, kudos to you. But from an honest, nothing to gain, astronomical viewpoint: this 'proof' is pure balogna. Cheap balogna, at that. Unless ya'll really want me to comment point by point on the 'Zeta' 'proof' site, I'm probably done using up the bandwidth on this particular thread as well. Its already pretty clear what my particular stance on this thread is.

My Two Cents-up now to about $2.44 I reckon'

-- StevenB (thicketyrowfarm@earthlink.nett), February 14, 2002.

Thanks, StevenB!!

-- Bren (wayoutfarm@skybest.com), February 14, 2002.

Indeed, thank you very much StevenB. Boy, if you call that "knowing a little astronomy" you probably think Ted Turner has a "little money". Anyway, that was a great analysis; it would be nice to post it on Zetatalk and mail it to some of the shortwave preachers who have had Hazelwood on their shows.

That's the good news. Bad news is Isaiah 24 still on track.

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), February 15, 2002.

Hope for the best but prepare for the worst is a good plan no matter what your religious, political, or scientific beliefs may be.

-- Sherri C (CeltiaSkye@aol.com), February 15, 2002.

If you would like to know the true answer to all your questions, read the book "The 12th Planet" It expl. everything in detail. And it will not return in 2003. That is a bad rumore.

-- Kenny (rokem1@cs.com), October 01, 2002.

Nibaru should be closest to Earth sometime in December, 2012. That is according to the Mayan calendar which predicts the end of life as we know it on this planet. That is not to say that there will be "no survivors". Some of us will live on, if for no other reason than to have future generations DISCOVER our pathetic scribblings on cave walls, and to unearth the remains of our civilization, our existence. Those of us who are unfortunate enough to survive, will do so without the aid of technology. There will be nothing left. No tools to build with. We will seek out anything that will provide shelter from the elements, from a hallowed tree trunk to a cave. The crust of the earth will twist and turn causing new mountain ranges to form, and new oceans to fill in the voids. It will be like spreading a twenty by twenty foot tarp on the ground, and covering it with water. Note the areas above water. There is North America. And the continent of Europe. The continent of Africa. Can you see them? Now, keeping the tarp low to the ground, give it a sharp tug. Note the changes in topography. Note the changes in the "oceans". There are differing theories relating to just how long this metamorphosis is supposed to take. But when you think about the possibilities, even two to three hours would eliminate all but a very few. An interesting theory that was being kicked around by myself and several colleagues was that the pyramids were not used to bury the pharoahs and kings, but instead, were used to shelter people on the arrival of Nibaru.

-- Rob Compton (Hijinx49@yahoo.com), July 15, 2003.

Geez, Rob,

I would have hoped that all this hype would have died out, now that 2002 or early 2003 has passed without TEOLOEAWKI having disappeared from view.

Now here you are, after all these amazing predictions, most with a great claim of certainty, and you're telling us the MAYAS are the basis for your equally certain prediction of death and doom?

Come on, do you really believe the Maya could predict earthquakes in the 21st century? I am enamored by with the Maya, having visited their land on occassion; they were some smart cookies, but considering they never even invented the wheel, why would you believe they'd invented long term geotechnic predictions?

LMAO...

-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), July 19, 2003.

You guys just don't get it... Read the series written by Zachari Sitchin... Planet X is Nibaru, and it has a 3600 year orbit.. A lot of the Greek mythology is based on the writings or cuniforms left by the ancient Sumerians. Remember that our "history" is EXTREMELY brief compared to the age of the earth..

I do not see any conflict in ancient Sumerian history and the bible.. Even the 200 sons of God are documented by historical geological and palentholoists with skeletal finds.. No one know the exact point that we are now in the cycle of the 3600 years of Nebaru..

I we can only live the next ten to twenty years, we may be in for quite a surprise...

-- Taylor Samual (Staylor62@hotmail.com), August 06, 2003.

people listen up- most of the facts on nibaru are wrong but the Anunnaki DO exist and they are mostly responsible for the 3 dimentional reality (some of us are tapping into the 4th)we all live in. i could go on and on but if you really want to know the truth i encourage you to research on your own and really consider what you discover. Its unfortunate how people dismiss vital information such as this but are so quick to hold anything thier tv or history book sais as truth. you WILL be awakened when the time is right for you and it wont be by Jesus or any other lord that has been used to control you. i have no alterior motives here, i know the truths of the universe and it seems as if you all are still searching. -unidentified

-- un i dent i fied (unidentified@hotmail.com), November 11, 2003.

Well, I 've been reading about this for thirty years -- and I hope it is coming ------ change a few things to say the least --- I read through some of the responses, but not all--- and saw no one mention the book The 12th Planet by Zachariah Sitchen -- Explains Nibaru, why Uranus is tilted, why we have an asteroid belt, etc. and who might be on Nibaru --- you might also enjoy the book Genesis Revisited --same author, and "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe.

-- R. Semmes (semmesr@hotmail.com), November 23, 2003.

Well, well, well. The merchants of chaos have struck again. Now don't get me wrong, I recognize the Mayan calandar ends in 2012, but not with a prediction of the end of the world. Just the end of the Mayans. They were apparently a bit off track on that one.

Planet X may actually exist, but not in our solar system's orbital plane. Not enough movement and anomalies for that. It could be a "captured" body from elsewhere, that has a different orbital plane, disappearing in a 3rd dimension and appearing unexpectedly from under/over the plane of the planetary system. But who's looking there? We wouldn't be able to locate it until it appeared close enough and only if someone was watching. Remember, no one spotted a city-devastating rock that passed a few thousand miles from earth until it was already past. (And that's scary!) There are so many world-wide stories of coming doom and catastrophy, that the search for some kind of common ground is a valid search, I believe. The bible is no better and no worse than any other ancient religious prophesy, just more emotionally sensitive since it is one of the most recent. But hey, do some homework and you'll find astrological castrophies all over the place in the 8,000 to 12,000 years ago range. All those ancient witnesses can't be wrong, eh? So maybe we're going to have another encounter with something big and "unexpected" within the next 20 years...is that any reason to behave badly? Just keep on loving and living and follow the golden rule and you'll at least end with self respect.

By the way, how many human (or other) civilizations do you think can rise and fall in what now appears to be a history of billions of years of human (or other) occupation of this planet? It took us about 30,000 years to go from the caves to the moon. How many times before do you suppose it's happened? Would explain some anomalies like human and dino footprints together, nails and hammers embedded in prehistoric rocks, and such.

Nibaru? Not enough evidence yet, and it may be too late when we do get enough. I want to see some astronomers look for it in the other 90% of the spherical sky. Should see occasionally blotted out stars...

-- Jim in LA (jw_composer@yahoo.com), December 10, 2003.

Well I am no physicist but have been getting the same psychic messages as some of the others here. I get Nibaru red planet and Dec 2012. I get massive floods and the loss of our current civilisation. The only city left intact is Mexico. North America is all gone bar the mountains.

There is also a strong urge to move to high ground (above 3000 feet) and stock up.

As for the mechanism this red planet will be magnetic and the force that keeps the 2 planets apart will be the force of opposing poles. However it will cause the earth to flip poles (Scientists have proved this has already happened before). The flip will cause hurricane winds and tidal waves. Only people high up and well-sheltered will survive. The earth is a giant magnet. In the last century scientists created terrellas (small globes) out of magnetite to predict how a compass would behave in different parts of the earth showing that the compass will always point north even in the southern hemisphere which proves that the earth's poles have different properties and will probably behave in the same way as a normal magnet.

Whether you believe this or not doesn't bother me - I'm not sure I believe it myself but all of this has been "channelled" to me and my partner over the past year and we find it fascinating.

Finally there is some tie up to the temple of Nineveh - that came through this a.m. - No idea what or how but I'm looking.

-- (poseidia77@hotmail.com), March 03, 2004.