Can someone provide some good links to this particular conspiracy theory (or group of theories)?

I've already checked out www.copvcia/fromthewilderness.com, Jeff Rense's site and the Walter Benjamin website. Any others?

I've already savaged the "Florida Executive Orders" thingie (that's the claim that Jeb Bush knew about 911 in advance and changed an executive order re: the Florida National Guard).

Anything else I'm missing?

My brain needs stimulation; I need a new conspiracy theory to debunk. I have GOT to get back onto the Wacko Watch. :)

-- Stephen M. Poole (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), April 29, 2002

Answers

You're looking too hard Stephen. Conspiracy theories are floated by mainstream demagogs these days. Like Congresswoman Cynth ia McKinney.

-- (lars@indy.net), April 29, 2002.

Stephen, this is the same sort of garbage that was put forth after Oklahoma City, that the U.S. Government was involved, with exhibited documents to "prove" that claim (some of the forgeries were quite well done). The Internet is simply loaded with sites designed to lead boobs astray, no news to you, I'm sure.

-- Peter Errington (petere7@starpower.net), April 29, 2002.

http://www.stand77.com/cgi-bin/clinks/main.cgi

The 9-11 Files

-- a reader (a reader@here.now), April 29, 2002.

LOL! How do you think you can debunk such a theory Poole Fool? I suppose you're going to tell us that YOU know what the CIA knew and didn't know?? Heeee haaaaaw!!

-- (yeah@right.fool), April 29, 2002.

Crank Dot net has an entire page of links http://www.crank.net/911.html

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), April 29, 2002.

Not only did Comrade Bush know about 911 in advance but he planned it, directed it and exulted in it. Comrade Bush is a dedicated agent of the international Communist conspiracy.

-- (Robert Welch @ John Birch.Society), April 29, 2002.

Conspiracy Theories For Dummies
Conspiracy Theories For The Chronically Unemployed
Conspiracy Theories For Druggies Who Like To Lie On Their Urinalysis


-- The Link Genie (the@link.genie), May 01, 2002.

Ah, thanks for the links. :)

(KoFE, you forgot your meds again.)

-- Stephen (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), May 01, 2002.

"people who continue to deny to themselves the links to people within our own government as being [among] the perpetrators in 911 and the anthrax attack will NEVER .. no matter WHAT EVIDENCE is produced .. accept it. period."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/frameup.html

-- Actual Doomer from guess where? (conspiracy@moron.com), May 02, 2002.

The best way to hide the truth is to immerse it within a lot if exaggerated and extreme theories. When the Taliban turned down Bush's proposals to build a pipeline through Afghanistan, the administration was rather worried about the reaction to our promise to pave their streets with gold (if they agreed to our terms) or pave them with bombs (if they chose not to) But then, I'm probably a conspiracy nut, right?

-- Cherri (whatever@who.cares), May 03, 2002.

Yes, probably.

-- (what@i.think), May 03, 2002.

Cherri, did it ever occur to you that the source of your claim, about the Taliban and Bush, was (are you sitting down) the Taliban itself? The Taliban were heroic liars, strung Clinton along for at least two years, when any fool could see they were stringing him along.

-- Peter Errington (petere7@starpower.net), May 03, 2002.

And if Reagan and Daddy Bush had not created the Taliban they would never had been able to string Clinton along.

-- (repugs@traitors.of.democracy), May 03, 2002.

And if the British hadn't created the Japanese Navy, Pearl Harbor never would have happened.

Hindsight is 20-20; amazing, isn't it?

-- Stephen (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), May 04, 2002.

FBI Warned of Training Before 11th
Fri May 3, 1:57 AM ET

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two months before the suicide hijackings, an FBI agent in Arizona alerted Washington headquarters that several Middle Easterners were training at a U.S. aviation school and recommended contacting other schools nationwide where Arabs might be studying, law enforcement officials said.

The FBI sent the intelligence to its terrorism experts in Washington and New York for analysis and had begun discussing conducting a nationwide canvass of flight schools when the Sept. 11 tragedies occurred, officials told The Associated Press.

At least one leader of the 19 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, received flight training in Arizona in 2001 but his name had not surfaced in the FBI intelligence from Arizona, the officials said.

None of the Middle Eastern men identified by the Arizona counterterrorism agents or any information contained in their July 2001 memo pointed to the suicide plot that leveled the World Trade Center and killed thousands in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, officials said.

"None of the people identified by Phoenix are connected to the Sept. 11 attacks," FBI Assistant Director John Collingwood said Thursday night.

"The Phoenix communication went to appropriate operational agents and analysts but it did not lead to uncovering the impending attacks," Collingwood said.

Officials said FBI counterterrorism agents in Phoenix had "suspicions" about why several Arab men were seeking airport operations, security information and pilot training and recommended, among other things, that the FBI begin alerting local agents when Middle Easterners sought visas for training at local aeronautical schools, officials said.

The FBI's concerns about the U.S. flight schools is the latest revelation about information, much of it sketchy, that the government possessed before Sept. 11 concerning the possibility of terrorism in the skies. For example:

_AP reported last month that Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flight schools and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings.

_A month after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota arrested a French citizen of Moroccan descent, Zacarias Moussaoui, after a flight school instructor became suspicious of his desire to learn to fly a commercial jet.

Moussaoui has since emerged as the single most important defendant in the post-Sept. 11 terrorism investigation, charged with conspiring with the hijackers and Osama bin Laden to kill thousands of Americans. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

About the same time as the Phoenix memo and Moussaoui's arrest, U.S. intelligence issued a late summer warning that there was heightened risk of a terrorist attack on Americans, possibly even on U.S. soil, officials have said.

Law enforcement officials said in retrospect the FBI believes it should have accelerated the suggested check of U.S. flight schools after Moussaoui's arrest but does not believe it would have led to the hijackers.

FBI officials said a supervisory agent in Arizona wrote a several-page memo to FBI headquarters in July 2001 laying out information his counterterrorism team had developed in an unrelated investigation. A portion of the memo dealt with an Arizona flight school, officials said.

The memo indicated agents were suspicious about why several nonresident Arab men were seeking training at a commercial aeronautical school in Prescott, Ariz.

Collingwood said the men "were enrolled in various aspects of civil aviation engineering, airport operations and pilot training." The agents were particularly concerned that some were attempting to learn about airport security operations, officials said.

The Phoenix memo urged FBI headquarters to assemble a list of U.S. aviation academies and to instruct field offices across the country to "liaison" with their local schools where other Middle Easterners might be training, officials said.

The information was shared with intelligence analysts who monitored terrorist threats and was even sent to the FBI office in New York that had the most experience with terrorism cases, officials said.

After the suicide attacks, the FBI quickly descended upon flight schools nationwide, identifying academies in Florida, Arizona and elsewhere where the leaders of the 19 hijackers trained.

Hanjour, believed to have piloted the jetliner that crashed into the Pentagon trained at a flight academy in Phoenix between January and March 2001, the government has said in court documents.

Some witnesses have also said they believe another hijacker, Ziad Samir Jarrah, trained on an Arizona flight simulator in the months before the attacks. But the FBI has no evidence that either man was connected to the Prescott school identified in the July 2001 memo, officials said.

The FBI also investigated whether an Algerian pilot who spent time in Arizona may have helped train the hijackers before leaving the United States before the attacks.

That man, Lotfi Raissi, was later apprehended in Britain, but U.S. officials failed to persuade a court there to extradite him to the United States. Law enforcement officials say their suspicions about his connections to the hijackers have since fizzled.

An Arizona businessman who assisted U.S. intelligence said he alerted the FBI in the mid-1990s that one or more Middle Eastern pilots were training or working in his state and appeared suspicious.

Harry Ellen said he told an FBI agent in Phoenix in late 1996 or early 1997 that he met an Algerian pilot and several Middle Eastern men at an Arizona mosque. Ellen assisted U.S. intelligence during the 1990s but later had a falling out over his business and personal dealings in Asia and the Middle East.

"I brought this to the attention of an agent in the local FBI whom I knew," Ellen said. "They did not seem particularly interested in the presence of these people. I stressed it was very odd that the Algerian man was involved in aviation."

"One of the other men I believe was probably Mr. Raissi, although he would have been thinner and younger at the time," Ellen said.

Law enforcement officials said that while Ellen helped the FBI, agents in Arizona have no record or recollection of him providing information about pilots.

-- Cherri (whatever@who.cares), May 05, 2002.

Cherri--

I don't get your point. OK, the FBI was watching some suspicious characters before 9/11. Clinton's FBI was undoubtedly watching many such types from 1993 (WTC bombing) on.

Is your point that these suspicious people should have been arrested? For what? Remember that racial profiling was a total no-no at that time.

Is your point that Bush somehow conspired with the Muslim terrorists or at least that Bush "knew" what was going down? No, I don't think that is your point, but if it is, please come right out and say it.

-- (lars@indy.net), May 05, 2002.

You're pretty naive Lars. The FBI didn't have anything to do with 911. The CIA knew there were serious threats of a terrorist attack against us, and had enough info to act to prevent it. But Daddy Bush used to be the Director of the CIA, and still has tight NWO connections with those at the highest level of the agency. Daddy Bush persuaded his NWO cronies at the top level of the CIA that ignoring the threats would provide a golden opportunity to advance their agenda. Any kind of terrorist attack could be sold to the public as an excuse to attack Afghanistan, setting the stage for a major power play by Bush family friends in the corporate oil conglomerates who plan to build a pipeline in the region. Not only that, but the entire anti-terrorist campaign is a way to make Dumbya look like a hero and create the ideal environment for the Repugs to exploit the situation, helping the multinational corporations push the world into a state of fascism where they possess total control over the masses.

-- Heil Dumbya (Wake up @ and. smell the Nazis), May 05, 2002.

Konspiracy guy--

I was responding to Cherri's post which was about the FBI surveillance of Middle Eastern men taking aviation training in the US prior to 9/11. Perhaps you will explain the relevance of her post. Be sure to send a CC to Jeff Rense and Gary North and Noam Chomsky.

-- (lars@indy.net), May 05, 2002.

Damn, there's one person on this forum who is brilliant enough to be on to me.

Oh my God, what if she takes the next logical step and figures out that I had CIA money funneled to that egomanic asshole Ralph Nader. My boy never would have won without that "useful idiot."

-- Daddy Bush (I'm@Getting.Worried), May 06, 2002.

Daddy,

You shouldn't have wasted your money on Ralph, he would have got the votes regardless. Besides, the money you funneled to your comrades on the Supreme Court was enough to make them overturn the election no matter what the vote count was. If anyone tries to accuse THEM of accepting your bribe they'll just have them executed.

-- (no@sweat.Daddy), May 06, 2002.

LL, did you ever consider trying to live up to your name? Try it, see what it feels like.

-- Peter Errington (petere7@starpower.net), May 06, 2002.