I just bought a new M7 and I discovered that my 35mm 2.0 ASPH and 50mm 2.0 ASPH will not fit on the camera body. These lenses fit on all my other M bodies, but not my M7. So much for quality control at Leica. Has anyone had a similar experience?

-- Bryan Hsieh (iam3388@hotmail.com), May 09, 2002

Answers

Bryan:

What doesn't fit about the lens? Does it fit into the mount and not rotate, or does it not lock? Do you have any lenses that fit your M7?

-- Mark Johnson (logical1@catholic.org), May 09, 2002.

I've noticed that the lens mount feels tighter than on my M6's, but all the lenses fit OK.

-- Paul Chefurka (paul@chefurka.com), May 09, 2002.

I noticed that the 90 M Elmarit I got recently is a much tighter fit on my M6TTL than on the M4-2. OTOH, all the rest of the lenses seem to fit just fine on either camera.

-- Charles (cbarcellona@telocity.com), May 09, 2002.

All my lenses fit fine including the ones you mention

-- gary brown (drdad1111@yahoo.com), May 09, 2002.

There is a problem, so get it fixed.

-- John Collier (jbcollier@shaw.ca), May 09, 2002.

The lenses I mentioned will fit into the mount but they won't rotate and click into place. The ones that do fit are the 90mm 2.8, and the 135mm 4.0. Thanks for your respnoses.

-- Bryan Hsieh (iam3388@hotmail.com), May 09, 2002.

"50mm 2.0 ASPH " Surely a typo?

-- Mani Sitaraman (bindumani@pacific.net.sg), May 09, 2002.

All my lenses fit on both my M7's (35/1.4 ASPH, 50/1.0, 75/1.4, 90/2.0 APO. Since it is new would suggest you have it checked

Good luck, Greg

-- Gregory Goh (GregoryGoh@hotmail.com), May 09, 2002.

? what's a 50/2.0 ASPH

I never heard of an M lens not fitting on a new Leica body. All of my my lens fit fine on my M7. In fact I have never experienced any M lens not fitting on any M body. Doesn't sound very likely.

-- Eliot (erosen@lij.edu), May 09, 2002.

Hey, Bryan, in case you missed it, Dr. Rosen just called you a liar.

-- Keith Davis (leica4ever@yahoo.com), May 09, 2002.

Yeah, right!!!! Was this before or after your M7, along with all your "other M bodies," spontaneously melted into a puddle on your coffee table and then rematerialized as a group of butterflies, all with red spots? Good one...

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), May 09, 2002.

I respect people that give straight forward opinions and advice like, "fix it." I think people are mean spirited to make fun of Bryan or call him a liar. This place is almost like the LUG now. I suppose I am inviting attacks now, huh. Bring them on.

-- Bill Lee (Bill_Lee@telus.net), May 09, 2002.

Bill. Sorry, but Brian invited the comment when he said "So much for quality control at Leica". No, quality control at Solms is far from perfect, but a defective bayonet mount on a new M7 camera is outside of the realm of believability to me. I think Brian is "funning" with us. I jsut don't believe his post.

This is not the first time this has happened on this forum. There was the guy who kept on posting (and had many including me believe), that Leica was about to release a 35/1.2 Noctilux M. Turned out to be a fake post.

-- Eliot (erosen@lij.edu), May 09, 2002.

I forgot to add... "But htat's just my opinion, I could be wrong". :-)

-- Eliot (erosen@lij.edu), May 09, 2002.

I have a case of 1camera-1lens problem, from my several older and newer lenses (12) all set propely on any of my four bodies, just my 28/2.8 III and one of my two M4P just canīt lock, I can fit the lens on the body, it evens moves smoothly, but those canīt make click, no problem with the rest of my stuff. funy isnīt it

-- r watson (al1231234@hotmail.com), May 10, 2002.

Hey, nobody's being mean-spirited! Nobody ever said you shouldn't have some thick skin to participate here. If I offended in any way, I apologize. But I'm with Elliot. Something is way wrong here. Bryan says the 90 and the 135 fit, but the 35 and the 50 do not. What could possibly cause this scenario? I will be knocked off my feet to find out for sure that this is the case. The "50mm 2.0 ASPH" is strange, too. But it could be a simple error. What next, "The 50mm 2.0 ASPH fits just perfectly on my M8"?

-- Tony Rowlett (rowlett@mail.com), May 10, 2002.

>The 50mm 2.0 ASPH fits just perfectly on my M8

It does on mine Tony ;O)

-- Tim Franklin (tim_franklin@mac.com), May 10, 2002.

My newly released 28mm Noctilux fits perfectly on my M3.5.

-- Hyatt Lee (shahmat@ms63.hinet.net), May 10, 2002.

Bryan, you can see, the problem you face is pretty unknown here. But there is nothing impossible in life ... Even you make small mistakes sometimes - just have a look at your 50 mm lens - although only a typing errror, maybe.

Somebody with more LEICA-experience should have a look at your gear. Perhaps your dealer knows what to do best. If itīs a problem of manufacture the LEICA service will solve the problem free of charge for you. If your lenses are s/h and perhaps have dropped down in the past (bent bajonnet i.e.) you/ you dealer will most likely have to pay for the repair.

Enjoy your new camera and do not be put off too much about the reaction here. Most people here just think, LEICA canīt be wrong.

Best regards

-- K. G. Wolf (k.g.wolf@web.de), May 10, 2002.

Yes it is possible to have a lens not want to mount onto a body. My 35/1.4 Asph would not mount on my new M6TTL. I had to have the body adjusted under warranty.

-- John Collier (jbcollier@shaw.ca), May 10, 2002.

Bryan, If you just bought it, then take it back and insist that the dealer exchange it for another one. I have personally experienced the problem of Leica lenses which fit smoothly on one body are extemely tight on another.

-- jay goldman (jrgoldman9@yahoo.com), May 10, 2002.

I do not remember which lens it was but on one of my M6 classics one of my lenses would not lock in the bayonet. After careful examination I determined that the lens was binding against the lens- lock-button-shroud (which is *plastic* BTW). The shroud is bevelled on an angle where it meets the body flange and this particular one was not angled steeply enough, and the one lens was slightly fatter than my others. A few quick strokes with a nail file and the plastic shroud was no longer offending, and the lens mounted fine.

-- Jay (infinitydt@aol.com), May 10, 2002.

Have it on with the 35mm 2.0 asph as we speak. Never heard of a 50mm F2 - ASPH; is that a prototype? Scan please!!! Sure you not trying to pop an R lens into the 7?

-- John (johnlktan@yahoo.com), May 10, 2002.

Strange lead, indeed.

Particularly because persons I wouldn't think that would over react now seem to get easily over excited. Is it a comsequence of "you know who's" annoying posts?

But anyhow: my very limited experience says that different lenses could fit differently on different bodies for any brand; even in my Leicas. Only that since all of my Leica things are old ('54, '57) and used, I wouldn't extrapolate starting from their behavior but neither would I think that Bryan's case is too strange or, at least, not impossible. It seems to be a case of too tight mechanical tolerances in brand new mechanical pieces; though unlikely not impossible I.M.H.O.

No doubt: the Leica dealer should know better, Bryan.

Best of luck !

-Iván

-- Iván Barrientos M (ingenieria@simltda.tie.cl), May 10, 2002.

I came across a 28/2.8 that would not fit on my R8 body but would fit any number of other R bodies. I took them down to Leica Milton Keynes and the lens would not fit any of their bodies either! After a week I received the two back, both the body and the lens had been fitted with with new mounts. Since then all lenses have fitted perfectly. And the 28 fits all other R bodies. Bob

-- Bob Gates (bob@robertgates.net), May 10, 2002.

Im surprised at some of the responses to this post and by whom. It is perfectly concievable that the camera has a faulty mount. Tolerences vary as another thread above has proven. Quality control is always at its worst when a new model is released till all production bugs are ironed out. No one would have believed the poor electronics in early R8's but it happened. I think anyone who gets a bad Leica new out of the box has a right to question the quality control for the outlay of money on Leica products after all isnt that why we pay that little bit extra? Another thread by Charles has shown that different lenses have different mount tolerences, if the mount on the camera is at the opposite end of tolerences to the lenses that wont fit the error in the mount may concievable reveal itself with those lenses. Good news is new items have warranties, im sure it can be fixed, but as Bryan asked it would be good to know if anyone else has experienced the same problems as well informed members can be aware of the possibilty that such a problem exists. This post could be helpful to people on a possible bug of a new model, please treat it as such. Most likely it will be a one off slip up, lets be constructive and see if it is.

-- Joel Matherson (joel_2000@hotmail.com), May 10, 2002.

"Quality control is always at its worst when a new model is released till all production bugs are ironed out."

Joel, think about what you are saying? Do you know how long the M bayonet mount (which is what we are talking about) has been around? The M3 was introduced in 1954. The mount which couples to six different focal lengths was introduced with the M4P in 1980. There is nothing whatever new about the bayonet mount in the M7. Do you think this is something Leica needs another year or two to iron out?

-- Eliot (erosen@lij.edu), May 11, 2002.