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-- nathalie (stevienixed@yahoo.com), July 06, 2002

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they don't know about my crew, they don't know what i do.

-- so solid jel (freedunit@hotmail.com), July 07, 2002.
yeah i knew right away.

-- (deebee@asdic.org), July 09, 2002.
I only had a suspicion.

-- rainy (isitagirl@hotmail.com), July 11, 2002.
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-- (doorag@eudoramail.com), September 25, 2002.

I can't really speak for anyone else who likes or liked CoFlow but I liked "The Fire In Which You Burn" because I was attracted to its inhumanity - it was so abstracted and anti-funk it soulded like it was made by Daleks. It wore off quickly - I'm still fond of it but mostly because I'm fond of the effort I put into liking it - and the rest of Funcrusher Plus hardly registered: I decided after many similar false starts all over the musical spectrum that I preferred my fun uncrushed, thanks. -- Tom (ebros@netcomuk.co.uk), September 26th, 2002.

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(I) said that it wouldn't really bother me if someone sat down and did a track by track pisstake of a (F)all record.

Aren't you the same guy who the other day called someone a "cunt" and "retard" because that person didn't think the Streets album was all that hot? I'm guessing you don't like the Fall all that much if someone could go through any album track by track and negatively comment on it, because you go batshit over little things.

-- Vic Funk (doctor_funk_phd@yahoo.com), September 26th, 2002.

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"I'm guessing you don't like the Fall all that much": this is quite a bad guess -- mark s (mark@evazev.demon.co.uk), September 26th, 2002.

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1970s: Rock is well into its third decade and while it continues to be ridiculously successful certain people think that the predominance of ponderous prog-rock and virtuoso guitar theatrics are harmful to the genre. They react with danceable, pop-influenced yet viscerally sexual, fashion-conscious and tough-guy-ethos infused punk. Eventually punk merges with a few compatible genres such as funk and reggae to create "post-punk". The movement is hailed as a "return to rock's roots". 1990s: Rap is well into its third decade and while it continues to be ridiculously successful certain people think that the predominance of danceable, pop-influenced yet viscerally sexual, fashion-conscious and tough-guy-ethos infused gangsta and "player" rap are harmful to the genre. They react with ponderous "abstract" rap and virtuoso turntable theatrics. Eventually underground rap merges with a few compatible genres such as IDM and glitch to create whatever it is you call Prefuse 73. The movement is hailed as a "return to hip=ho's roots".

Not a judgement call -- just a contrast I find pretty interesting.

As far as the persona of Co Flow/Can Ox, I think part of it is the "survive and defeat all rivals" ethos of the modern-day concept of battle rap taken as a personal musical credo and infused into general life. It's in the lyrics -- El-P's flow reminds me of a man onstage feverishly clutching a mic trying to get as many fatal jabs at his opponent in the shortest possible amount of time, and I can understand if it sounds grating if you're used to laconic g-funk style or linear storytelling raps.

Something I gotta correct: "I think the avant-garde label is affixed to their deep cynicism towards traditional hip-hop elements" -- er, I thought the underground rap types were all feverishly devoted to defending the traditional hip-hop elements i.e. MCing, DJing, b-boy dancing and grafitti. I've read interviews with Company Flow where they basically say that if you don't know where rap's place is in the hip-hop scheme of things that you should probably reconsider being an MC. If you want to deride indie rap, deride them for giving too much of a fuck about traditional hip-hop elements.

I'll be here to answer other questions and get mocked later.

-- Nate Patrin (natepatrin5500@msn.com), September 26th, 2002.

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By 'hip=ho' I of course meant hip-hop and yeah ha ha ha he said "ho". -- Nate Patrin (natepatrin5500@msn.com), September 26th, 2002.

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(D)on't mind (V)ic, (M)ark, he's not as bright or clever as he tries to pass himself off as. (N)ote the clever spealling (sic) flame(.) -- jess (dubplatestyle@hotmail.com), September 27th, 2002.

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it's one thing responding to someone's arguments, but spelling, Jess? I believe your slip is showing. Also, Patrin is OTM on his analysis of the Dej Jux strain.

Then again most of arguments I've seen against underground hip hop on ILM usually do come down to some sort of "authenticity" paradigm revolving around "street" cred or race, etc.

-- jack cole (jack_cole@pataphysics-lab.com), September 27th, 2002.

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cole you moron, i was mocking him for attempting to mock me for my spelling/grammar! do you have some sort of bizarre filter that makes your hate for me shut out all logic or what? and why do you insist on creating boogeymen "on ILM"? just for the sake of argument?

-- jess (dubplatestyle@hotmail.com), September 27th, 2002.

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It'd be nice if the notions of "avant-garde," "authenticity" and "cutting edge" were relegated to the dustbin where they belong, for all types of music. -- hstencil (hstencil@yahoo.com), September 27th, 2002.

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what makes coflow 'avant' is that they ride on the experimental horse. -- Julio Desouza (julio@desouzaj.freeserve.co.uk), September 27th, 2002.

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hstencil would be right if it wasn't for the existence of experimental horses DO YOU SEE?! -- Julio Desouza (julio@desouzaj.freeserve.co.uk), September 27th, 2002.

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Nate is right about the elements thing though - most underground/backpacker/whatever rap (not El-P stuff really, but things like J5, People Under The Stairs, most Rawkus stuff) turns me off because it seems really conservative musically. (The authenticity thing is a bit of a side issue for me because as a Brit I am always already inauthentic as a hip-hop listener.) Def Jux and Anticon stuff sounds more weird/aggressive/difficult and I can respect that but it's not what I'm looking for in hip-hop, which I like because it's constantly innovating within a super-accessible framework like all my favourite old styles did in their prime. Non-US hip-hop I enjoy because even though much of it sticks pretty closely to a Rawkus or Premier or mellowed-out RZA template musically, either language or accent pretty much forces MCs to flow differently.

-- Tom (ebros@netcomuk.co.uk), September 27th, 2002.

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i mean, jack, we're talking about a guy so desperate to find things to mock about me that he calls me "jessica" and posted an email i sent him back in the day to his website with little [sic]'s following every word that should have been capitalized. you'll have to pardon me if i'm not going to be rushing to deconstruct his "arguments." and yes, nate is right about the 4 elements; considering that co flow called one of their ep's "end to end burners", which had to be one of the first major graf references in hiphop in some time.

-- jess (dubplatestyle@hotmail.com), September 27th, 2002.

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-- di (lucylurex@eudoramail.com), September 27, 2002.

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