For those who aren't familiar with him, Roger Fredinburg is a self proclaimed "radical" (and he's not a radical LIBERAL, that's for certain!) He is a talk radio host, who has been a Bush supporter for as long as I've been a Bush basher.

But even Roger seems to have had enough, at last. Here's a pretty powerful pronouncement by him.

The big question he raises, as I see it, is what do we do now? So far, all I see are people saying "see, I told you he was bad. I told you he was going to steal all our liberties". What to do?

JOJ

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FEARING THE NEW BUSHSTAPO

  By Roger Fredinburg July 7, 2002 NewsWithViews.com

For the first time in my life as a public figure, I am afraid to write or say those things most pressing on my mind.

It’s hard to imagine that as an American and a lover of freedom, sitting here in the wake of Independence day, I am actually terrified at some level to put words and thoughts into print for fear of where it might lead.

The Bush administration which I eagerly supported and gladly welcomed as a sign of political refreshment after 8 years of lies and scandals during the Clinton years is now beginning to look more and more like a threat to our nation and all that we believe in.

Homeland Security?

I laugh at the notion that somehow the Bush folks under the Mr. Magoo style of management of Tom Ridge will make me or my fellow Americans safer.

It’s ludicrous in my view to even contemplate putting these bumblers in charge of anything really important after watching them completely blow it.

I sit here now watching the breaking news story at Los Angeles International Airport. It seems one Hesham Mohamad Hadayet determined that Independence day, 4th of July, was a good day to die, and take some innocent bystanders along for the ride.

This blood is on the hands of President George W. Bush and Tom Ridge.

I have been yelling at the top of my lungs on the radio show since September 12, that the 60,000 plus middle eastern men living in this country on expired visa’s should  be rounded up and deported to their home countries. All of those here with “legal” status but not yet citizens should be rounded up and given some specific ultimatums about their staying here. Nobody is listening and I’m afraid many more will die because of this public deafness.

The truth is, Homeland Security is a sick joke. There are no deportations of middle eastern illegals , no protection of any substance along our borders, no ultimatums being made to the Islamic world, just an attack on American liberty and personal freedom here at home.

Eighty year old great grandmothers and sixteen year old cheer leaders are the targets of airport strip searches? Baggage loaded with mock weapons and explosives make it through check in more often than are detected. It’s like the keystone cops on dope!

Regular panic announcements about possible terror attacks often put out to the media by “undisclosed sources” ? Give me a break. Someone please call me when the sky stops falling.

The Bushstapo, A Police State?

Time.com attempts to lay out the “Bush Plan” in it’s article  “Inside the Bush Plan”. If you want a PC puff piece on the Bushstapo then read it and weep. Here’s the truth. Bush plans to take 22 federal “service” agencies and merge them into a single agency whose motivation will no longer be service but will be “security” instead. Keeping us free from danger and anxiety is a noble cause for a president to tackle. I find it most amusing however that Bush wants so to provide this new giant security force, yet he avoids every legitimate opportunity to make us safer. Securing our borders would be a good start.

We currently have more than 80,000 federal bureaucrats who are armed with guns and police powers.  Forest service, BLM and a variety of folks you wouldn’t normally think of as law enforcement are exactly that. Under the Bush plan the number of armed federal bureaucrats is expected to double and those police powers will not have any reach beyond our own borders, meaning we will be under the scrutiny of what is about to become the worlds largest national police force.

Who Will Be Targeted?

If the new Bushstapo is anything like it’s mock-up at the airports then we can expect that young girls with perky chests and senior citizens in wheelchairs will be the likely candidates for investigation, strip search, surveillance and prosecution for innocuous crimes like conspiracy to wear non EPA approve body lotions or maybe conspiracy and RICO charges for failing to get Big Brother's approval for the Saturday night bingo game down at the church.

Already, across America, government has neighbor turned against neighbor. Callers to my radio program from Missoula, Montana shared the fact that this small all American city offers toll free telephone numbers to turn in your fellow citizens for things like too much smoke coming out of the tailpipe of your car.

We will be turning on each other as the paranoia begins to spread and everyone begins to question their neighbor’s patriotism. I can hardly wait.

As surveillance is enhanced, cameras on every corner, microphones and wire taps in every room, maybe the average Joe will begin to catch on but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that. The truth is that in the very near future everything you say and do will be recorded, analyzed, decoded, scrutinized, and filed away as evidence. People will be afraid to meet for fear of being arrested for engaging in some “conspiracy”. As these new law enforcement bureaucrats start feeding on their ego’s and discover all of that raw power, there will be no stopping them.

Why am I afraid?

I live in a world of ideas. Meaningless, unless openly discussed and useless unless shared with the masses. The problem is that I am what’s called a radical. My opinions and ideas are often more striking, more severe, more intense than those of the typical all American boy type. I make no apologies, I am quite comfortable in my deluded state of mind and have no desire to soften or lessen the thrust of my commentary. Which is why I write this with such trepidation. I am not certain where the boundaries of free speech lie anymore.

Can I advise people to establish a close knit small cell of family and friends with which one should plan and strategize for all sorts of possibilities? Failure in the economy, a total attack on freedom and loss of liberty even possible insurrection. Can we talk about insurrection, rising up against the forces that have taken our country away from its moorings? Or is that hate speech? Conspiracy? I just can’t tell anymore. Is it alright to explore the boundaries of thought regarding the many way’s in which one might restore the people of these United States to their rightful place on the throne ahead of the politicians and bureaucrats? Can I advise for example that I believe a revolt must be more surgical and geared toward eliminating individuals who threaten our republic? That thoughtful and well planned assassinations, I think, would serve the country better than all out civil war? Is giving that opinion going to cause a legal challenge and courtroom test of my First Amendment right to free speech? Or, is it now a form of terrorism to suggest such a thing might someday be required of our people? And heaven forbid, what if I wrote it outright, demanded that Americans rise up and eliminate the obvious threats to our liberty before it’s too late. Surely, as the world's largest national police force is being developed while America is under duress and will soon be evident in every former private place in America, shouldn’t the thought be allowed to flourish on the outside chance that I might just be right?

If I can’t say it can I even think it? With  “hate” crimes laws, and the new PC thought police,  Big Brother has us pinned down. Can’t say it,   can’t think it,  better to put a sock in it for all our sakes,  shut up or else.

Click Your Heals!

A recent caller to my radio show from Saint George, Utah made a compelling story out of his family's day trip to Zion National Park.  Un-suspecting sight seers were met by an Armada of federal buses at the park entrance and driven to and off-loaded at a processing station. There they were charged 10 bucks to enter their own park. After walking through the processing gate they were met by more government operated buses, loaded up and given escorted tours of Zion National Park. Essentially they were put on a leash and dragged around the federally approved fire hydrants by armed federal goons. This outrage alone should have people marching in the streets. But…It doesn’t.

I have noticed recently that many republicans are angry with me for exposing the Bush administration. I am still hopeful that the president will pull his head out of the deep dark crevasse and surprise me, However, I won’t hold my breath. We have lost our property rights, parental rights, speech rights, etc. They are all gone, replaced by political correctness and the thought police,  soon to be everywhere, watching everything. Armed and sworn to keep us all safe from even freedom itself. Yep, I said keep us safe from freedom. You see, the enemy of the new Bushstapo is freedom. The very premise of its design is to limit the dangerous side effects of freedom and to monitor and detect those internal forces that would actually fight and die for freedom.

We saw it with the “War On Drugs”, and this is many times worse. But I don’t envision many standing up until it’s too late. Par for the course in modern America, too little, too late, by to few. Like the Germans in Hitler’s day, people are too afraid that one of Big Brother's agencies will come crashing down on them and rock their selfish little materialistic world. We’ve been conditioned to watch the swat teams wipe out our neighbors without asking why. We gladly accept Big Brother's word that so and so was a bad egg and deserved to be shot down in the driveway for such crimes as failing to pay taxes. We allow the storm troopers to march into our neighborhoods and rip crying children from their mother's arms and ruin families because anonymous phone callers suggest a problem. We sit idly by as every connection to freedom is cut away. We do nothing, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing. We hide our heads, turn our backs on friends and family. We do this because it makes us feel secure. That’s right, keep your head down, your mouth shut, don’t ask questions, just shut up and pay your taxes. Secure.

This is the new Bushstapo security plan: Stay below the radar, be nothing, do nothing and in return you get secure. Hide there in your shell, but remember that in order to make any move even a turtle has to stick its  neck out. How long can America stay there motionless except for

-- joj (jump@off.c), July 12, 2002

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Remember the 70's poster that had a picture of Nixon and said at the bottom "You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, well 2 out of 3 ain't bad" Nixon is starting to look like Mother Terresa in thses times of caluosed corporate politics .I attribute the problem to oily foods .Those big Mc bugers, oily chips,greesy chicken , tainted foods and meats.Animals products from animals that are fed a 30% fat diet so they grow nice and fat .Oil, oil, oil , in every packaged foods in the store.What type of things are made from oil ? Plastics.What is one thing plastic is used for? Insulation, like for electric wires. What makes Humans think ? Little electric sparks flashing around in the brain like an electric storm.It appears those little electric charges that make people able to think clearly are being interupted. With every food store in the U.S. carrying the same foods made by the same companies that seem to be controlling what just about everyone is eating,I'd think it could be whats got everyone Zombie-fied.Even people raising their own meats,most are buying foods for their animals that are made by the controllers.Every brand of food is made by a company that is a substidy of another company that eventualy comes down to a hand full of companies feeding the whole country.Even those brands of beans with a little old lady on the package is made by the corporate controllers .They just put a little old lady on the lable to make it look home made.Put on the tube (tv), and hear, " have a burger , stuff a taco, eat some greesy tastey chicken, have a piece of pie, eat a donut , bet you can't eat just one" eat more, manga,eat til you bust, you worked for it . Think I'm crazy, I hope so,I be scared crapless to know I'm normal by todays standards. Dr. SM recommends a 3 day fast and 12 cactus buttons.Than get that oily stuff out of the diet,and be intoxicated no more.America, your all stoned out on that toxic waste stuff being past off as food. And for those who think the revolution started in Tennessee cause of the the government closing down, let me bust your bubble.The only revolution here is of a sexual nature.And the ones who were protesting at the state capital, were the state employees who were on unpaid leave from their state jobs and wanted the state to open so they could go back to work to pay their car loans , morgages and buy more food to stuff their mouths with ,students who paid tuition for state collages and classes were closed, and people who needed to renew thier driver liences.The closest thing we have to rebels here is the men who don't pay their court ordered child support.I'd say the average American would have to lose at least 50 lbs before they had the stamina to rebel an oppressive government.And your government won't let that happen. So eat and be merry

-- SM Steve (Unreal@home.com), July 12, 2002.

SM, you're a riot! What's all this stuff about Tenn, anyhway? I'm out of the loop, I think. Where do I sign up for the sexual revolution? (Just kidding, been there/done that/ back in the seventies...)

-- joj (jump@off.c), July 13, 2002.

JOJ-I miss bantering with you!

Bush is a nightmare....he makes Clinton look as though he had more corporate morals, and THAT is frightening to say the least. "Bout the only difference between the two is Geo can keep his pants up...it seems.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), July 13, 2002.

where do I sign up for the cactus buttons???

-- that sounds (inter@esting.com), July 14, 2002.

Hi, Doreen,

W, keep his pants up? What, me worry?

There was an article in, what was it, Atlantic? I believe I posted highlights of the article, and put the url in the post. It was an expose' on Bush's membership in "Skull and Bones" at his alma mater* at wherever he went to school (Yale?)

As part of his initiation, he chose to masterbate into a coffin while describing his past sexual exploits!

Pants up? NOT!

Belive me, my imagination isn't good enough-or depraved enough-to make this up.

-- joj (jump@off.c), July 14, 2002.

Joe, The Tennessee revolution thing was a thread on the new freedom forum. It reinforced my beliefs that a violent resistance to a oppressing government can only create more problems then it'll fix.I read the freedom forum at the new site, although I don't post there . From what I see there, it seems weapons and ownership of high powered weapons and possibly violence against an oppressive government is the dominating belief as to be the solution to tyrrany and a government that infringes on the freedoms of it's people.Violent actions and violent thinking no doubt clouds the minds of even the most advanced and rational thinkers on the planet.The Tennessee thead is now gone , but it was somehow misunderstood by someone that an uprising had started here and others from that freedom forum spoke of helping out ,before they fully understood what was really happening here.Violent reacting without full understanding equals disaster. And since violent thinking clouds the mind ,no rational decision can be made under this frame of mind .This thread was an example of what will happen if a violent uprising happens in this country. People will be ready to jump in a fight without understanding the reason .People are legitmately frustrated by unpleasant things going on around them and are building up anger inside by the inability to hold control over their own lieves.Trying to gain back control over ones life through violence will just bring about an existence that will have to be constantly maintained through more violence ...further more people will react on rumors or half truths which will make them unclear as to who their enemies are as well as who their friends are. Anyone one who verbally opposses a new government system that was acquired by violence might now be considered an enemy and eliminated. Although people mean well and are even willing to sacriice their lives to the calling of freedom,it's important for people to constantly evaluate themselves. Would a person resort to violence against a family member in the home because theirs a family problem that's out of control? What's going on with the world is much more complicated then the average mind is able to understand. A spray of bullets is not going to be a quick fix for problems that have arised over thousands of years ago and will be around way after we're gone and our names are no longer on any records or data base. As I see it the ones responsible for lost freedoms are the ones who want them back, (ourselves.).We all come from tribal or villager type ancestry . We ( they) left the simple life for an easier existence,we sold our lives and freedoms for comforts and security many decades ago. Now we are corporate property in a way .We worked their factories,we mined their gold, we built their empire and went to their schools to learn how to serve them ..We were paid in the form of their money, and we bought the products they sold us.For every dollar we made, they made a hundred off our work.A few hands full of people gained control of the world through Our work and doings.They seem smarter than us and their gene pool (offspring) will continue for many more generations being in control, and our offsping will be serving their offspring for many more generations .It's Survival of the smartest . Uprise ? against who, your children in the military, your families in the police department , your uncles and aunts who are judges or politicians . You'll never find the true source of who is in control. Only the people who are the unknowingly shields that protect the controllers ., give em back all their wealth, land , guns ,cars, appliances , electric ,all possesions we traded for our freedoms and refuse to accept anymore of their gifts and money even if you worked for them, directly or indirectly and they'd be powerless.But it was already said that it's easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle, than to part with all our wealth (that has strings attached). Think smart,be patient, being peaceful is not to be confused with being apathetic. And although I 'm sarcastic at times, this is not written as a challanage but as my contribution to what others are posting on the new freedom forum. I know They are posting what they whole heartedly believe is the right thing to do. Besides , they out number me , out gun me, and as smarts, like Tennesseian Jeffro Bodine, I only have a 6th grade edjucation.One thing more regarding freedoms.One Humans freedom is another Humans bondage.The ones in control have plenty of freedom. At many others exspense. And in the laws of the material world, good and bad, up and down, hot and cold, day and night.These dualalities will always propell and sustain material existence.Which brings to mind another wise saying ," eat not the fruit from the tree of the knowlege of good and evil" Whoever was the first to say that , I'd sure like to meet them one day.

-- SM Steve (Unreal@home.com), July 14, 2002.

You're right; people always do dumb things when they are mad. And when they don't want to take the time to reason things out. Hell, one of my best friends went over the fence at Trojan Nuclear Power plant during a protest we spent nine days at (she spent a log longer than that, counting jail time)

I was trying to explain why I think nuclear power is so bad; she told me, "I don't want to understand all this stuff. You are against it, and all my other friends are against it. That's all I want to know"

SM., I appreciate your very wise words about the probable results of using violence. I for one sure hope it doesn't come to that.

You're right; people always do dumb things when they are mad. And when they don't want to take the time to reason things out. Hell, one of my best friends went over the fence at Trojan Nuclear Power plant during a protest we spent nine days at (she spent a log longer than that, counting jail time)

I disagree with the rest of your post, though. For instance, "We ( they) left the simple life for an easier existence,we sold our lives and freedoms for comforts and security many decades ago. Now we are corporate property in a way" I think this is a simplistic statement.

I also don't think for a minute that the "smart" are in control. It's more like the "bad, crooked, wealthy" are in control. Throw in a dash of "fearful"--like fearful that if ANYONE, ANYWHERE is NOT in their control, they are in danger!

-- joj (jump@off.c), July 14, 2002.

I will be the leader. I am a revolutionary. Black man, White man, China man, Hindu man. Unite behind me. The government lies. Burn them all. Burn Hollywood. Revolution now. Races do not matter in the eyes of the swine. We can all agree to hate Muslims cant we? Damn Muslims. Revolution. Molotov cocktails. I am a revolutionary. I will be the leader. The book is talking to me . It tells me I am the leader. I am a revolutionary . I will be the leader.

-- CowHeadMurder (dc_xy@hotmail.com), January 31, 2003.

Oh , great another nut on the forum. I like nuts. I like walnuts, peanuts hazel nuts , are almonds nuts ? cause I like them to.And Like my A-rab cousins I like goat nuts best of all.

Can't understand why people castrate goats when the nuts are the tastiest part. About those goat-nut eating a-rabs who crashed a jet into my favorite building and icon of my birth place and first hometown, I can say this ,It takes an extra pair of nuts to do something like that .

I want to lead the revolution also .What else would a nut do . As long as it's the sexual revolution.TOO many goat nuts. I have a big ego also .. I have some Negro blood . And us Negroes have big Egoes.But you wouldn't understand, it's a Black thing .

-- S (Unreal@home.com), January 31, 2003.

Hi Steve. Excellent post, man. So this week you have "negro blood". Wow. cool. Last month, or year, you mentioned your native blood. got any more? a true heinz 57 is a very cool thing. love ya, man.

-- (unrealtoo@youcantell.com), February 01, 2003.

Are you the nutty revolutionary,who wants to lead Black people and chinese people .Where did I hear that before it's sounds so familiar?

Charlie , Charlie Manson is that you ?I thought you were still in prison with that stupid 666 carved on your fore head. Do they have computors in prison now or did squeky sent you a file in your birthday cake.

Documentaation Plaese.Show where I said that .

-- Steve (Unreal@home.com), February 01, 2003.

< " Wow. cool. Last month, or year, you mentioned your native blood. got any more? ">

I guess if you can't tell the difference between a month or a year , your disorientation also prevents you from documenting where I said this. I'm not denying that I am . It's just that I've never posted that .Maybe your at the wrong forum .Check the lusenet listing for the forum I think you're looking for.It's called : Ask A Drunk

< " love ya, man. " >

Please find another lover. Your reminding of a famous story of betrayal where some man kisses his so called friend when he's tuning him over to the authorities.

And take 12 catus buttons and post here in the morning.

Will all my other patients " PLEASE " don't call me on my off hours . If it's an emergency, call my office and the answering service will refer you to Dr. Little Deer who is on call until I get back in .

Here's his web page:: http://www.peyote.org/

Thank-you , Dr. Steve

-- S (unreal@home.com), February 01, 2003.

Actually bragging that one is Native American blood is bragging one is a hopless useless waste that never got weaned from the bottle but just have switched bottles through out life .They just go from a bottle of milk.To a bottle of wine and whiskey.

And closest thing to a Native Ameican becoming constuctive has been dealing with organized crime people to open up gambling casinos across the nation.

What a wasted culture.They've become more parasitic than the ones they blamed their fallen nation on.

-- Steve (Unreal@home.com), February 08, 2003.