Hi Emerald, I almost missed your post of February 11th on that Iraq war thread. It got so intense that I stayed away from it for a while. The peace-nics were constantly judging and name-calling anyone who didn't share the same opinion. Oh well... Thank heavens, I did pop back in there to see your link. I think it's wonderful! I haven't been all the way through it, but I've saved it in My Favorites, so I can go back again and again--and I've emailed it to my daughter and son-in-law; LOTR enthusiasts and Catholic monarchists to boot! God Love You, and thanks for sharing your wit and wisdom. Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 19, 2003

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Hi Anna; lol! You found it. My friend, an eleven-time reader of the triology, says I misspelled Boromir and a couple other names. I have to correct certain things and flesh it out a bit, especially the part on Galadriel. I was afraid to attract too much attention to the link, since not everybody is going like everything in there... might not be too popular with everyone; I get myself into enough trouble already, huh? Glad you found it! =)

-- Emerald (emerald1@cox.net), February 19, 2003.

Well, I, for one, think you have a beautiful mind! (Not to mention soul.) I know I will enjoy reading the entire website. God Bless. Pax Christi. <><

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 19, 2003.

Hey Emerald! I, of course had to check out that site and have saved it as well. I will read it as soon as I get a chance, because I also own the extended version of The Fellowship of the Ring, and will get the extended version of The Two Towers when it is released. I have started reading the books and am on the third one, Return of the King. I highly recommend you read them. I can hardly put them down. I am getting no sleep from staying up too late to read them. I just wish someone would have introduced me to them long ago. If you read the books, you could probably even draw more analogies.

One thing I almost laughed at was your last sentence before the Conclusion. Was that intentional?

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 20, 2003.

lol Isabel... if I ask myself if it was intentional, I might lose my invincible ignorance!

You are so right; I do need to read the books. That last line was my way of saying I'm not sure if I am still sane or not (...still? .

The extended version was interesting, wasn't it? The way it filled in so much detail that one might have thought would have been impossible to edit from the first version. In fact I wonder why they did, but it made for a good surprise later.

-- Emerald (emerald1@cox.net), February 20, 2003.

Here is another that I could not help but laugh at: (Speaking of Aragorn's actions:)

"approaches Frodo [a pontiff figure] and keels before him"

Well, there goes the rest of the story......... :)

Sorry, I am really not trying to point out all your typing mistakes, but I laughed out loud when I read that.

I just finished reading all the analogies for the characters. Very, very impressive. I wish I had a mind like yours. It all makes so much sense and fits so perfectly.

I do agree the extended version had so much cut out, that (to me) made everything else make so much more sense. I don't see how they ever cut it out. But, I agree, a very pleasant surprise to see.

The Two Towers (the movie) actually ends a little short of the book, so we will have to see what the third movie holds. If you could only see how well your analogies fit into the books, you would be amazed. Even more so than the movies. And from what I have read in The Return of the King.......wow, you analogies still apply. By your analogy, I think the Balrog of Moria also represented a demon trying to destroy the papacy. And Gandalf joins his staff and sword and says, "You shall not pass." (One of my favorite parts of the movie, just the emotion that is involved and the way Gandalf says it with such force.) And the Balrog does not pass and falls back into shadow and fire.

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 20, 2003.

Waaaaaaaah! I've gotta go out and buy the extended version. That settles it!

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 20, 2003.

LOL....Anna, yes, you must. You will not be sorry. I held out for a while when the extended version came out. I kept telling myself, I already have the original version, I can't justify spending the money to buy another. Then I got a gift certificate for Christmas that covered more then half the cost, so I gave in. And I am definitely not sorry. Of course I had seen the original so many times, that I could pick out even the two second bits that were cut. But there is an extended scene of Lothlorien that you would love. And the wood elves in procession that Emerald mentions above. Plus many other pleasant surprises. When Two Towers comes out I am just going to wait for the extended version.

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 21, 2003.

Where can I find the original that this post refers to?

JRRT was Catholic.

I have found that many of the figures in the book (and since we do have all 3 books and since they were the original source material, we can start there) to be emulators of Christ. The nature wizard was St. Francis (he was cut from the movie). Gandalf dies and is reborn. Sam and Frodo go through a long near death experience and come back. Frodo on return is very loving to his enimys. Every good character had some part of Christ in him/her.

I do not see the books as supporting the Papacy. JRRT was too good a writer to do something that obvious. Board Of The Rings has been written, one could do another parody in the more Catholic direction, and easily do better than the scat. writing of BOTR.

Sean

-- Sean Cleary (seanearlyaug@juno.com), February 21, 2003.

Emerald offered his web addy

http://www.members.cox.net/emerald1/riddles

in the middle of a thread containing much arguing over the Iraq situation. I would have a hard time finding it again, without having to sift through all the arguments. So, I hope Emerald doesn't mind my posting it here.

If you do, Emerald, please have the Moderator delete it. But I think it's a wonderful site.

God Bless. Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 21, 2003.

The Iraq thread was a strange place to put the link, but I whole thread reminded me of this:

"Rumor grew of a shadow in the East, whispers of a nameless fear..."

lol! This was funny too Isabel: "...and keels before him." I'll fix it up this weekend; my spell chequer missed that one. Get the extended version if you can Anna; I don't have it myself yet but have friends who do, and when I went back east recently, that's all anybody had. I was surprised my brother in law was so into the movie, and we listened to the soundtrack from The Fellowship driving all the way from Maine to DC and back.

The music is pretty good btw, especially when they walk into that big hall inside Moria, with the pillars, and the scene when they exit the mines.

Speaking of movie music, maybe somebody can help me find something. In the 80's, I vaguely remember this sort-of Catholic movie, perhaps called 'The Mission' or something similiar. I did a search on it but can't find it. It was about missionaries in South America I believe. At any rate, the music was incredible and I would like to find the soundtrack. Anybody know of this?

-- Emerald (emerald1@cox.net), February 21, 2003.

Does the movie you are talking about have Robert DeNiro and Jeremy Irons in it? If that is the one I have a catalog at home that has the movie and soundtrack. They have a website, I think. I will look. Let me know if that is not the right movie.

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 21, 2003.

One of my sons (who is not a good reader) has read all the LOTR books, and amazingly remembers every detail. He often makes comparative analysis remarks about the books vs. the movie.

I had purchased Harry Potter books for him because everyone was raving about how young people, even poor readers, just gobble Harry right up. That was not the case for my boy, but Lord of the Rings has certainly awakened something in him -- something marvelous!

So, I will go out and get the extended movie version--and you go out and buy the books!

Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 21, 2003.

I just finished Return of the King last night at 11:15. I was so anxious to get to the end, and now I am sorry it's over. Emerald, you must get the books!!!!! I am only sorry I had not read them before. If the last movie stays true to the book, then it will be an edge-of-the-seat, o-mi-gosh, jump-up-for-joy-with-a-great-ending movie. December is a long way off.

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 24, 2003.

My kids read the books first, but then I saw a cartoon version of the trilogy on video and purchased that for them.

I have not read all the books, but my son says that the cartoon version is even closer to the books than our "Hollywood" version.

In honesty, I only read the Fellowship of the Ring. I still have to read The Two Towers and the Return of the King. (But I've also kind of spoiled it for myself, as I have watched the kids' cartoon version with them.)

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 24, 2003.

Anna,

Can you link me to the cartoon version? Where can I buy that?

Yea, there were places where they strayed from the books, but most of those times, I could see why they did it. They had to cut short events in the book, otherwise each movie would have to be 8 hours long, and when they cut them short, then sometimes I could see why they changes lines around - to make it all flow a little easier. One change I did not like and found rather unnecessary, was when Frodo and Sam 'ran into' Faramir, Boromir's brother in The Two Towers. They portrayed it quite differently in the movie than it is in the book, and I liked the event much better in the book. That change I do not understand. Oh, well. Let me know of the link if you have one.

Thanks.

-- Isabel (isabel@yahoo.com), February 24, 2003.

Hi Isabel, Actually, I stumbled upon the set of animated videos at Walmart!

The video set also includes "The Hobbit."

I don't really know how to do links; I wish someone could tell me how!

But here is a URL you can copy and paste:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RJ2W/houseontheroo- 20/104-7741421-6545510

(I just did a Yahoo search and typed in the words Tolkien animated video set. There were 7,410 sites listed, so have fun shopping if you use that method!

Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (flower@youknow.com), February 28, 2003.

hi everyone, umm i was just wondering if someone cud post this link again? i nvr saw it and wud really like to thanks!

-- cally fort (kk@hotmail.com), December 05, 2003.

Which link?

-- (?@?.?), December 06, 2003.