Just letting you know that I've prayed to the Lord about this and I feel it would be best both for me and the forum if I leave. There are certain matters I cannot compromise on and I feel that I get too involved and heated in my postings.

The Lord Jesus Christ bless you all.

In Christ, Oliver.

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), March 17, 2003

Answers

Don't go Oliver, we enjoy the inquisitive questioning that you bring to the site!

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), March 18, 2003.

What???

I must have missed your "heated" postings. Since you are not a Catholic, we cannot expect you to "compromise" your beliefs.

However, we should be able to dialogue without becoming heated, so that we may better understand one another, and one another's beliefs. This would, hopefully, bring us all closer to Truth, which is absolute and unchanging, and at the same time, would be pleasing in God's sight.

If you need time off from the forum, to think and pray, please do...But please, after refreshed, come back so that we may fellowship again.

Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (flower@youknow.com), March 18, 2003.

Oliver, just because John Gecik told you to leave\ doesn't mean you have to leave. Somtimes other voices are necessary to find the truth.

Did you have Eugene on your back like I did? His words are heavier in tone than John's. I have been able to "dialogue" with them without taking it too personal.

If we as Christians can't put up with each other, then how can we be one as Jesus said we should be one?

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonzalez@srla.org), March 18, 2003.

Jmj
Hello, Elpidio.

I don't mind if you talk about me, but when you do so, please be accurate. You told Oliver: "... just because John Gecik told you to leave\ doesn't mean you have to leave."

I did not "tell" Oliver to leave. Please use care, so that you don't defame me. Here is what I actually wrote to Oliver (with emphasis added):
"I for one would like to ask you to drop your proselytism totally and immediately -- or to leave, if you cannot drop it."

Thus I "asked". I did not tell. (I cannot demand anything of anyone.)
Thus I suggested two options to Oliver, not just one. And he had every freedom to ignore me! I am not the moderator, who can ban him.

It will surprise (if not shock) you to learn that I don't really want Oliver to leave. If he leaves, he will not be exposed to the Catholic truth at all, so he may never return to the fullness of the truth. But if he stays, he must (in my opinion) avoid proselytizing.

The simple point is this: This is a "Catholic" forum, not a "Religion" forum (where anything goes). This is a "home away from home" for Catholics, and we don't silently have to put up with "missionaries" knocking on our door and trying to spread their sometimes erroneous doctrines at all hours of the day.

God bless you.
John
PS: Elpidio, you and others should read what I told Oliver within context, so that you can understand why I was so stern with him. I believe that you are defending Oliver because, like him, you are an ex-Catholic who tries to convince Catholics here to discard some of their beliefs.

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), March 19, 2003.

Olly,

You have a heart of gold. Don't leave bro.

We want to see you and your new bride(Jessy) convert to Catholicism. I hope you both are enjoying your marriage.

Take a few days off and pray about it.

God bless Jessy and yourself.

-- David (David@excite.com), March 19, 2003.

aul ur a bad person stop hiding behind ur religion and using it as an excuse to patronise, belittle and be nasty to people. it doesnt make it better when u say god bless u at the end. ur a sarcastic hate filled little dry man

-- elle mcpherson (elle@mcpherson.com), March 20, 2003.

I read your message, John.

Just understand that not all Catholics in the forum are alike. Sdavacantists, traditionalists, charismatics, religious orders, marianists, and many like me, Yavists, because they still haven't understood why Jesus is God the Father himself. The leaders of our church define dogmas. Dogmas that since there was no divine revelation to support them could be challenged.

-- Elpidio gonzalez (egonzalez@srla.org), March 20, 2003.

Jmj

Elpidio, why do you make things worse for yourself?
Again, you produce a string of errors, after I just pointed out that people like you and Oliver ought not to be trying to spread them at this CATHOLIC forum:

1. "Just understand that not all Catholics in the forum are alike." [I know this, but ...]

2. "Sedavacantists, traditionalists, charismatics, religious orders, marianists, and many like me, Yavists, because they still haven't understood why Jesus is God the Father himself." [Sedevacantists, "Yavists," and some traditionalists are NOT "Catholics." In English, there is no such term as "Yavist." You are a kind of Arian, rather similar to a Jehovah's Witness in your heresy of not believing in Jesus's divinity. You are no longer Catholic, Elpidio, and it's a pity.]

3. "The leaders of our church define dogmas. Dogmas that since there was no divine revelation to support them could be challenged."
[It is not your Church any more, so don't use the word "our," please. The pope and bishops can define dogmas, and when they do, they are not subject to challenge.]

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), March 20, 2003.

Anyway good Olly, i hope you don't come back.

God Bless J. F. Gecik

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), March 22, 2003.

Hi, John

I believe someone is posting as you in the post before this. The words are harsh unlike you own, and there is a i instead of I.

-- crab soup (.@....), March 22, 2003.

You're right, "crab soup." Thanks, ti!

I did not post the previous message with the "i" in it. The sick individual who put up the phony message made the mistake that you caught, as well as three other mistakes that would help a sharp-eyed person know that I didn't post it.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), March 23, 2003.