What day is the Sabbath really supposed to be observed on? I've heard people say still on Saturaday. Since Jesus never changed it to Sunday. He may have rose on Sunday but that doesn't mean change the Sabbath to Sunday and it may have been fulfilled from the OT but we still observe it on Saturaday since it's one of the Ten Commandments.

That's what a seventh day adventist told me.

-- William (Ducin25@aol.com), January 24, 2004

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Presuming John's permission to copy and paste what he wrote on another thread, William, you can visit the links he gives and you'll find the answers to your question:

Hi, guys. Folks have talked about this topic on numerous occasions here at the forum. I located some of the old threads that you may enjoy reading. I recommend that you start with the opening message from Ed Lauzon at the top of the first link: Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4 Link 5

God bless you. John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), May 20, 2002.

-- Enrique Ortiz (eaortiz@yahoo.com), January 24, 2004.

Response to Is the Sabbath still Saturaday?

That depends, are you Jewish or Christian? As Christians we observe the Day of the Lord which is Sunday. Following is a list of scriptural text to meditate on:

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this texts shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

(text copied from http://www.scripturecatholic.com/)

-- Blaine (blainewilliams@comcast.net), January 24, 2004.

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The Sabbath, the Jewish day of worship, is still Saturday as it always ways. It has not changed. Sunday, the Christian day of worship, was established by the Apostles in commemoration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Why would Christians worship on the day their Savior lay dead in the tomb?

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), January 24, 2004.

From the constitution on the sacred Liturgy of the Second Vatican Council:

By an apostolic tradition taking its origin from the very day of Christ's resurrection, the Church celebrates the paschal mystery every eighth day [[[not seventh day]]], the day that is rightly called the Lord's day. On Sunday the Christian faithful ought to gather together, so that by listening to the Word of God and sharing the Eucharist they may recall the passion, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus and give thanks to God who has given them a new birth with a lively hope through the resurrection fo Jesus Christ from the dead.

The Lord's day is therefore the first and greatest festival, one to be set before the loving devotion of the faithful and impressed upon it, so that it may be also a day of joy and freedom from work. Other celebrations [[[like football]]] must not take precedence over it, unless they are truly of the greatest importance, since it is the foundation and the kernel of the whole liturgical year.

-- 8 (8@8.8), January 25, 2004.

The Baltimore Catechism says:

Q. 1250. Why does the Church command us to keep the Sunday holy instead of the Sabbath (Saturday)?

A. The Church commands us to keep the Sunday holy instead of the Sabbath because on Sunday Christ rose from the dead, and on Sunday He sent the Holy Ghost upon the Apostles.

Q. 1251. Do we keep Sunday instead of Saturday holy for any other reason?

A. We keep Sunday instead of Saturday holy also to teach that the Old Law is not now binding upon us, but that we must keep the New Law, which takes its place.

-- jake (j@k.e), January 25, 2004.

Hello, Enrique. No one needs my permission to copy what I have posted in the past. I don't consider it my property. I give it away freely.

However, in order to get the links to work, you have to copy the HTML version of my message (available via "View/[Page]Source"). I was able to find that old thread -- wow! May of 2002 -- and will now reproduce most of my message (skipping the last link, because the thread was eliminated by the "mad deleter") ...

Folks have talked about this topic on numerous occasions here at the forum. I located some of the old threads that you may enjoy reading. I recommend that you start with the opening message from Ed Lauzon at the top of the first link:

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), January 25, 2004.

Thank you, John, for giving us the links in a way that we can really get to the places where this topic in treated in a full way. My knowledge of computing is very limited and sometimes I really don't know how to do certain things . Fortunately there are people like you that are always there to give us a helping hand. Once again, thank you.

I'll have you in my prayers.

-- Enrique Ortiz (eaortiz@yahoo.com), January 26, 2004.

Mr. Gecik,

You may be called upon in the futute to stand by your gift of intellectual property as stated in the post above.

Now, if I may be so impertinent (and nosey) to ask, how is it that you can find all these cross-references to previous work by yourself and others on related topics?

Do you: 1) keep a separate datebase, 2) are you just highly adept at Google (tm), 3) do you engage in the brute force search of skimming through endless threads to find relevant materials, 4) are Divinely Inspired, 5) All of the above, 6) some combination of the above, and 7) none of the above?

Please choose one member from above, and feel free to illuminate your choice with commentary so that we all may learn better how to better utilize this forum's wealth of knowledge.

Thanks very much,

-- Pat Delaney (pat@patdelaney.net), January 26, 2004.

Pat, I don't know how John does it, but when I want to find something here I usually put Google to work searching keys words from the topic I am interested in along with the word "greenspun". This usually proves fruitful.

Also, if memory serves, it seems to me that Skoobuoy was in the process of/or had just succeeded in, downloading all of the existing threads of this forum on to CD. How about it Skoobuoy? How did your project ever turn out? Were you successful?

-- Ed (catholic4444@yahoo.ca), January 26, 2004.

Hi Pat I am interested in your use of the (tm) regarding "Google"! SOrry to go offtrack and nothing to do with theology but I was having a discusion on this legal issue elsewhere and recall that you are a lawyer and an author. Does the concept of "dilution" apply in this case in your opinion?

"Dilution is the legal concept where a "famous" trademark that is so frequently used becomes generic in the mind of the buying public. Common examples of dilution are the trademarks Kleenex and Band-Aid, which have come to refer to all brand names for tissues and adhesive bandages. Unless it is necessary, an author should try to use the generic term instead of the trademark. A trademark that becomes a generic term loses its trademark protection. Thankyou

-- Kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), January 26, 2004.

Kwiw,

My post above was a bit tongue in cheek about intellectual property, hence I labelled the term Google as a trademark. I don't actually know if the owners of the Google search engine have registered the term.

Its perfectly legal, in all circumstances to refer to a known product by its trademark and critique it if you want. That is Free Speech.

Dilution only occurs if you are selling a competing product, and trying to use the registered trademark of the product you are competing against to sell your own product. For instance, it would be dilution for a seller of Hewlett Packard photo-copy machines to call them "Xerox" machines. Or for a seller of generic form of facial tissue to call it "Kleenex" when advertizing the generic facial tissue. That is dilution.

Thats about as deep as I can go. I'm not a trademark person. What I do is patent work (which calls for extreme geekiness.)

-- Pat Delaney (pat@patdelaney.net), January 27, 2004.

Ohhhhhhh I thought it seemed a bit strange but as lawyer I thought you knew something regarding Google and I was trying to work out why you used the tm sign, whoops! I was discussing with a very "geeky" mate as to whether the use of "to google" as a verb constiuted trademark violation but thats soemthing else again. Thanks for explanation and God Bless

-- Kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), January 27, 2004.

Jesus lay in the tomb on the Saturday because that was the day of rest. He died on Friday, took Saturday off, then resurrected on Sunday. Seems to me the Saturday Sabbath still holds.

Jesus observed a Saturday Sabbath, why shouldn't we?

Please check out http://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html

Here's a quote from it:

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."

Please remember, as Christians we're all on the same team. We can spend our time better than arguing amongst ourselves.

-- Michael Knight (jedimike84@hotmail.com), April 16, 2004.

Michael, It's a pity you won't read the links provided above by Mr. Gecik. You could then understand how Catholics can celebrate the first day of the week as the Sabbath - Sunday, with such fervour.

-- Ed (catholic4444@yahoo.ca), April 16, 2004.

Shabbat was created for man, not man for Shabbat.

-- J Biscuits (thefilthohgodthefilth@yahoo.com), April 16, 2004.

Jesus observed a Saturday Sabbath, why shouldn't we?

A: Jesus was Jewish. We are Christian. Therefore we worship on the Christian day of worship, as followers of Christ have done from the beginning (see Acts 20:7).

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), April 16, 2004.

I found an interesting article on this site below:

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath_purpose.asp

It makes sense to me that we all should remember that Jesus is the Creator (John 1:3) and that He made the Sabbath to spend time with us. The Sabbath reminds us that God is all powerful and that He cares deeply about us.

There's my two cents worth.

-- Eric K (mere1319@yahoo.com), May 06, 2004.

The site may be interesting if you are a 7th Day Adventist, but it has nothing to offer if you are a mainline Christian.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), May 06, 2004.