In Mary, the transubstantiation took place. Is not Mary the first priest?

-- EC (EC@hotmail.com), April 28, 2004

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EC:

In Mary, the transubstantiation took place

Your statement implies that Jesus was transubstantiated, made into a different substance, from a normal human baby. That is not true.

God Bless,

Vincent

-- Vincent (love@nowhere.net), April 28, 2004.

I agree with Vincent. Transubstantiation means a change from one substance into another. In the womb of Mary, Christ, the eternal God, took on substance where there had previously been only spirit, but there was no change of one substance into another. Christ Himself initiated Transubstantiation at the Last Supper.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), April 29, 2004.

eucharist is the bread that comes from our mother, Mary. It is bread produced by Mary from the "flour" of her flesh

St. Augustine wrote, ‘Jesus took His Flesh from the flesh of Mary’.

united to the Divinity in the Eucharist is Jesus' body and blood taken from the body and blood of Mary. He is flesh of her flesh and blood of her blood.

all the graces of the Spirit are administered by her when she pleases and how she pleases. she transforms the Spirit into flesh and blood.

if that is not transubstantiation, i don't know what is.

EC

-- EC (EC@hotmail.com), April 29, 2004.

No, even if one wants to style the conception of Christ as "transubstantiation," that does not make the Blessed Virgin the "first priest"--it makes her the "first host."

-- Observer (nospam@notmail.com), April 29, 2004.

no, not a host, because then she would BE the body and blood of Christ. Mary was not Jesus Christ, but only part of the Christ event. maybe a host in the sense that she was a tabernacle.

she took and made use of human elements (her body), as a vehicle for the Divine, the real presence of Christ, and administered it to the world. Mary is the first priest, is she not?

EC

-- EC (EC@hotmail.com), April 29, 2004.

Mary is not a priest. A priest offers sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Mary did no such thing, other than in the broad sense of freely giving up her Son, something she would have had no choice about even if she had not made an perfect act of submission to God's will.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), April 29, 2004.

God enters into Mary, Deposits His life there, she concieves it, it grows within her, then through the breaking of water bears forth that life to the world in the form of a child.

God enters into the Church throught he Eucharist, deposits His life there, we consume and concieve it, His life grows within us, and then through water (baptism) we bear that life to the world in the form of many children.

Mary=Church.

If you want to see a preist in the annunciation, I would look to God as High preist and Gabriel as the ministerial preist that announces and presents the action of the High Preist. Which parallels Jesus as High Preist in the Eucharist (Hebrews) and our preists as the ministerial preist that present this to us.

Dano

-- Dan Garon (boethius61@yahoo.com), April 29, 2004.

i don't see how anything you all have said points to Mary not being a priest figure. actually what you have said, Dano, helps my argument:

"God enters into Mary, Deposits His life there, she concieves it, it grows within her, then through the breaking of water bears forth that life to the world in the form of a child....Mary=Church."

You can't deny the sacramentality of Mary, her life, her actions. Oh and by the way, most of what you've said, Paul, is heresy. Mary did have the choice. Her will was in tune with God's, but she did have free will. And Paul, "Mary did not offer a sacrifice to God on behalf of the people?" Hey, I'm pretty liberal, but even most conservatives would consider that contradictory to Church teaching.

EC

-- EC (EC@hotmail.com), April 29, 2004.