Toi nhan xet vem hay tay sai chi biet chui lao leu roi bien mat. Tai sao nhu the. Nhung gi vem ly luan o day chi la quen han thu, xay dung dat nuoc,... Toan la ve voi ba lang nhang.

Tro bip nay ai khong biet. Dan Viet ti nan hy vong dung bi tui viet cong lua bip lan nua. To quoc, que huong,.. nhung danh tu nay dang bi viet cong lam dung de lua bip, an cuop cua dong bao.

Viet cong dong nghia voi lua bip ?

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), September 24, 2004

Answers

What the hell do you define as "Viet Cong"? What the hell do you define as "dong bao" Are these two mutually exclusive? Are they disjoint? But I bet you think they're complements of each other.

I'm amused by your vietnamese skill there, so Vietnam is clearly divided into 1 good and 1 bad. Kill the bad, and what?? Conjure up a fancy system that dissolves everything??

Anyone who's in the Vietnamese government? What about the news that glorifies the government?? What about the people who truly appreciates what the government does and lives on happy recollections of nationalism? What about kids who love to sing songs about Ho Chi Minh?? So that's everyone that's not you!

This whole fucking forum is corrupted, instead of trying to fix the problem without running pandemonia, these dickheads go: "Communism = problems." Oh dear, do you ever realize the converse is not neccesarily true? That "non-communism is NOT equal to no-problems?" Do you realize the whole of America is being lied to by GEORGE W. BUSH and some bigass estate owners in Texas and Florida?? Heh?

Instead of being the solution, alot of you lads enjoy to point out the problems and say that the removal of Communism will fix it. Oh sorry, using the word Communism there is wrong. What i meant to say is, whoever belongs to the Northern Regime that kicked our ass 30 years back...oh sorry!! that's even wrong!!!! Those guys are all old and dead now, oh shit!! I've got no-one to blame, oh dammn, ok, how about denouncing the whole government? Yeah that solves it, even though lots of them are people of the new generation that's got nothing to do with vietnam war bullshit but just want to serve the country. Oh I guess I can't account for that one...damn...who cares, as long as I'm sitting here paying my tax and my soul to the American government and evading responsibilities back home, I'm good...

Cowards...vous etes tous coupables pour tout. Je pense autrefois que le temps detruit tout et revele tout, mais c moment j hesite, pourquoi cette haine? Pourquoi par le futur?? J'peux eclater en sanglots de rire quand je voit ces gens pretencieux qui disent tout mais ne font rien...Peut-etre c'est l'ironie et la fatalite de cette race maudite.

-- Jubinell (danorma3@yahoo.com), September 24, 2004.

B�c gh�t nhất l� thằng cặc n�o d�ng tiếng ba rọi nửa t�y, nửa mỹ �ể b�n về chuyện của ng�ời Việt Nam.

-- Dam Tac Ho Chi Minh (damtachochiminh@yahoo.com), September 24, 2004.

What the hell do you define as "Viet Cong"? They are Vi�t communist .What the hell do you define as "dong bao" They are Việt non-communist .Are these two mutually exclusive? Yes they are .Are they disjoint? Yes they are .But I bet you think they're antagonist of each other. I'm amused by your vietnamese skill there, so Vietnam is clearly divided into 1 good and 1 bad. Kill the bad, and what?? Give the good what they are merit .Conjure up a fancy system that dissolves everything?? No ,need to fight not conjure .

Anyone who's in the Vietnamese government? I don't know .What about the news that glorifies the government?? Only communist people give the news that glorifies the government .What about the people who truly appreciates what the government does and lives on happy recollections of nationalism? Because they don't have the choice .What about kids who love to sing songs about Ho Chi Minh?? Please hear what they sing :

��m qua em m� gặp b�c Hồ .

Ch�n b�c d�i b�c �ạp x�ch l� .

Em thấy b�c em k�u xe kh�c .

B�c mỉm c�ời học tập nghe con .

So that's everyone that's not you!

This whole forum is true teller, these smartheads go: "Communism = robber." Oh dear, do you ever realize the converse is not neccesarily true? It is necessary to unmask communist That "non- communism is equal to no-problems?" Yes .Do you realize the whole of America is being lied to by GEORGE W. BUSH and some bigass estate owners in Texas and Florida?? Heh? Yes but GEORGE W. BUSH couldn't say he will crush fanatic muslim and communist and he will do .

Instead of being the solution, alot of you lads enjoy to point out the problems and say that the removal of Communism will fix it. Oh sorry, using the word Communism there is wrong.It should use the word "robber" .What i meant to say is, whoever belongs to the Việt Nam people The Northern Regime that kicked our ass 30 years should give back...Those guys are all old and dead now, oh shit!! I've got to blame the stupid communist party , ok, how about denouncing the whole government? Yeah that solves it, even though lots of them are people of the new generation that's got nothing to do with vietnam war bullshit but they get all good robbed by their parents from Việt Nam people. Oh I guess I can account for that one...damn...who cares, as long as I'm sitting here paying my tax and my soul to the American government and evading responsibilities back home, I'm good...

Communist...vous etes tous coupables pour tout. Je pense autrefois que le temps detruit tout mais pas revele tout, ce moment j hesite, pourquoi cette haine? Pourquoi pas la justice?? J'pleure eclater en sanglots quand je voit ces gens pretencieux qui disent tout mais ne faire rien...Peut-etre c'est l'ironie et la fatalite de cette race barbariane .

-- thich du thu (toollovers@comcast.net), September 24, 2004.

bo khi , em Thich du thu cung noi tieng Tay nua, anh chong Tay tu hoi xua con be nen coc hoc tieng Tay, tuy nhien anh chi biet : -Merci bu-cu ( tuy em muon hieu sao thi hieu ,dung ra la anh viet tieng Viet !).

-- Chi bua (broeker@sbcglobal.net), September 24, 2004.

bo khi Ch� Bựa ,Anh cũng gh�t T�y nh� ch� anh ��o học tiếng T�y ,anh chỉ copy của thằng " Jubinell" th�i ,ngo�i ra anh cũng gh�t bọn chệt th�i do �� anh chỉ học ��ợc một c�u �ể chửi .Tiểu na tỷ nị � .

-- thich du thu (toollovers@comcast.net), September 24, 2004.

A.. B�y giờ th� đ�ng l� jubinell hay chibua hay ch� rận ...cũng l� một thứ, đọc b�i tiếng anh barọi của t�n jubinell n�i tr�n thấy ngay đ� l� tiếng anh của t�n chibua thối...

-- (vodanhDc@yahoo.com), September 24, 2004.

WONDERING Ask ourself what did you know Ask ourself how did you understand about Ask ourself which one would you like Ask ourself how should we realise Review whatever we have done Which one can be used again Which one must be repaired Which one has to be given up

-- Ho chi Minh Dam TAC (vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua'' @yahoo.com), September 24, 2004.

MOI BAN BAM VAO LINK !... http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=00COB5

-- Ho chi Minh Dam TAC (vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua'' @yahoo.com), September 24, 2004.

eh,may cha coi bo ranh lam thi phai???tuc truc tren day 24/24

-- hochiminh (vn_student2000@yahoo.com), September 25, 2004.

hom nay thu 7 thang` nhoc' con

-- Ho Chi Minh Ma Co (MoiRoCSBipBomHoChiMinh@damtac.ngu.net), September 25, 2004.

Theo kinh nghiệm cho biết VC n� hay r�nh đ�nh trộm lắm do đ� l�c n�o QLVNCH cũng lu�n lu�n 24/24 cảnh gi�c .

-- thich du thu (toollovers@comcast.net), September 25, 2004.

hahahaha....chi' bua' chi' pheo`.....may` bay gio` de bi. qua~ to' qua' may~....

-- Ho Chi Minh Ma Co (MoiRoCSBipBomHoChiMinh@damtac.ngu.net), September 25, 2004.

It was a fucking war man, how the hell do you expect people to be decent in wars and post-wars heh? Like the southern vnese and americans were really following the intl war code.

No worries there, tao thaays tuij mayf chir bieets nois moomf thooi, thwcs ra thif tui mayf lamf ddwowcj gif har?? Tao hoir thaatj tuij mayf cos theer lamf ddwowcj gif? Qui ra cho cungf thif tuij mayf chir gets coongj sanr thooi chws gif? Tao khoong nois nwax, vif vowis tao, coongj sanr hay coongj hoaf cungx ddeeur nhw nhau, bonj awn bams chungs mayf chawngr bieets lamf gif ngoaif vieecj dduj ddeens ddoox ddowf ddaanx ddawngj ddas ddits ddwas ddeos ddwa ddaats ddeens ddits VNCH.

By the way, thich du thu I really admire your copycat style! Too bad you didn't do the french one. I bet if I throw hindi/nepali at you you'll go insane. Kena? Tese? Timro dhude/laro ramro cha! But maf ghar nuss, cuz mero wants timro luga phuka la, agarei nango batsne ho, chickney ho? or chutsne ho? Know why? Cuz sub kuch kutai he, heh? VNCH kho sanga jane? George.W.Bush? o ekle jane??? I bet timro sanga gharne Georgie too...

-- Jubinell (danorma3@yahoo.com), September 25, 2004.

Jubinell (danorma3@yahoo.com) co biet tieng Viet ? Trong mot bai ma xai du thu tieng.

Jubinell (danorma3@yahoo.com) co muon viet cho nguoi khac hieu minh hay chi thich nguoi khac hieu mot phan ( neu nguoi khac khong biet het moi thu sinh ngu Jubinell dung trong bai viet ).

Jubinell cung la loai vem chui rua lao leu ( trong mot bai goi Mr. Thich du thu ), triet ly kieu mot thang con nit moi lon ( ngay tho gia doi ?)

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), September 25, 2004.

DETAILS OF THE SOLUTION TO FORM THE VIETNAM DEMOCRATIC PARTY WITH MEMBERS BEING THOSE DEPARTED FROM THE CPV, FOR MOVING VIETNAM FROM TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP TO DEMOCRACY

The Charter 2000 Movement

Dear CHIBUA CONGSAN VIETNAM

To reply to questions raised by Viet democracy activists in the homeland and overseas regarding the solution to move Vietnam from totalitarian dictatorship to democracy suggested by the Charter 2000 Movement, the Viet Democratic Side�s International Forum published in this issue a lengthy article in Vietnamese written by Dr. Long Ba Nguyen - Charter 2000 Spokesperson - to detail the solution, which includes 5 parts:

I. THE MATTER OF DEMOCRATIZATION OF VIETNAM & THE OBSTACLES TO BE RESOLVED

The most important deadlock in the democratization of Vietnam is the regime�s inveterate existence of anti-democratic norms, thoughts and habits, deep-rooted collusions, corruption and sharing interests, its stubborness. It is hard to break the vicious circle without the awakening of someone who can affect the regime to change it, someone like Yeltsin in the case of Russia.

It is also hard to have a Yeltsin in the case of Vietnam; but we can do something to give birth an entity which can create some political effect equivalent to Yeltsin�s, which makes Vietnam transform to democracy. The Charter 2000 Movement puts forward the strategy of forming a (democratic) party with members being those departed from the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV). This party will be led by some VIP(s) or a group of Viet communist progressive elements who have the capability and attractiveness to mobilize the CPV�s members to depart from their treasonous party to join the new party (the Vietnam Democratic Party).

The effect of the creation of this entity is equivalent to a Vietnam Yeltsin in stirring up a movement to transform Vietnam from totalitarian dictatorship to democracy.

II. HOW DOES IT WORK AND SURVIVE THE OPPRESSION OF THE CPV?

To answer this question, we need to know how the revival of the Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam worked and how did the supports and backing behind to the Unified Buddhist Church of Vietnam came to affect the survival of the Church after its overseas conference to proclaim worldwide its new system of leadership and structure with the Most Ven.

THICH HUYEN QUANG being conferred as the 4th Supreme Patriarch of the Sangha Supervision Institute (Vien Tang Thong) of the Church - the highest leader of the system. The world supports for the revival Church were materialized through H.R. 427 of the U.S.

Congress (November 19, 2003) and the European Parliament�s Resolution of November 20, 2004. What made the world community lend their supports for the revival Church to survive? The momentum is the world drive to globalization in economics and democracy. The neccessary condition for this solution is the standing up of a courageous group of Viet communist progressive elements who can move the people and the Communist Party�s members. Once the Vietnam Democratic Party is formed and proclaimed (with its leaders, its Manifesto and Platform as well as its dual headquarters in the homeland and overseas), the world community will back the new entity for its survival facing the possible oppression of the Communist Party of VN, like in the case of the revival of the Unified Buddhist Church of VN in late 2003.

The process on how the Vietnam Democratic Party survives the possible oppression of the CPV is based on the following factors: - The urgent need to find a course for peaceful transformation of Vietnam from totalitarian dictatorship to democracy to counter the domination of China�s influence over Vietnam. It�d be better-off for VN to ally with the U.S.

and the Western world to restrict the influence of China over VN to sustain its independence and development and to avoid possible further losses of land and sea territories to China. - The world community is backing the efforts to democratize Vietnam, in line with the doctrine of economic globalization and global democratization.

- The success of the revival of the Unified Buddhist Church of VN is the first seed of pluralism in VN in the social and religious domains, now the formation and proclamation of the Vietnam Democratic Party with its dual headquarters in VN and overseas (like Vien Hoa Dao I and Vien Hoa Dao II in the case of the Unified Buddhist Church of VN) will no doubt produce the second seed of pluralism in VN in the political domain, which is critical for a civil society to emerge in VN. The probability for the Vietnam Democratic Party to survive and develop under the supports and backing behind of the world community, the overseas Vietnamese, and the people�s and religious forces in Vietnam is great.

- The Vietnam Democratic Party will win over the Communist Party in the future on the ground of the supports of the people of VN, the overseas Vietnamese, and the world community. The future of Vietnam politics will likely end up like the case of Russian politics now with the Russian Communist Party coming to a dead end and President Putin�s party as well as other democratic parties developing to majority (the Russian Communist Party is now only occupying 45 among 450 seats of the Duma in Moscow).

- The Vietnam Democratic Party with members being the communist party members who departed from the CPV to join the new party will effectively split the CPV into two parties, with the Vietnam Democratic Party tending to stronger and stronger over time, while the Communist Party becoming weaker and weaker due to its obsolescence and its failure to address the matters of the country in the new age of information, democracy and economic globalization. Its existence is also an impediment for VN to operate effectively in such world mechanisms as the WTO.

People call the communist party is the party of the past, like the Russian Communist Party.

- The time for Viet communist progressive elements and democratic forces to declare the formation of the Vietnam Democratic Party is ripened now as the people�s aspiration and desire for democracy is rising high and Vietnam has already been too late for a political change to resolve its matters of a communist country. Should the process of democratization delay, it will cause enormous damages for the people of VN on the course of rebuilding the country and development.

The overseas Vietnamese will not cooperate with the Vietnamese communist regime in any way and will fight it until its termination. So, communist system is an impediment to Vietnam�s development and to the world�s move to globalization in economics and democracy.

III. SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THE LEADERSHIP OF THE NEW PARTY

Who will be leaders of the new party with members being members of the CPV departed from the treasonous party to join the new party? According to our analysis and based on the reality of those communist progressive elements who have struggled against the communist party in the past and present, and based on our Eastern European Chapter including former CPV members and other activists who still have their relatives in VN, we suggest the following high profiles to lead the new Vietnam democratic party (with our members in the Eastern European Chapter having connections with them), as follows:

* Mr. TRAN XUAN BACH, former CPV Politburo Member, former Secretary of the CPV Central Committee (Mr. Duong Van Thuong of our Eastern European Chapter was once Secretary for him )

* Former Colonel PHAM QUE DUONG, who returned his membership to the CPV upon the harsh communist oppression against former General Tran Do (deceased). He had been imprisoned for 19 months and was released upon his trial on July 29, 2004 in Hanoi.

* Mr. NGUYEN HO, who launched the campaign to attack on the dogmatic group of the Vietnamese communist party in February 1996 through the Viet Democratic Side�s International Forum prior to the VIIIth National Congress of the CPV and has since been placed under house arrest .

The suggesttion of the above three figures as leaders of the new Vietnam democratic party (or whatever name chosen by them) is something for discussion and exchange of ideas only. Those who have the power and the courage to stand up within the ranks of the CPV to form and proclaim such a new party (with members being those departed from the CPV) will be welcomed and supported unanimously.

IV. THE STRUGGLE PATH FOLLOWING THE FORMATION AND PROCLAMATION OF THE NEW (DEMOCRATIC) PARTY

It is necessary for the leadership of the Vietnam Democratic Party to move one or some of its leaders abroad to prepare for its second headquarters overseas and to prevent a possible massive oppression from the CPV. Should the CPV oppress, the Vietnam Democratic Party will have to rely on its internal strength within the ranks of the CPV, the People�s Army, State and Government and the unanimous supports of the people of Vietnam, the overseas Vietnamese and the world community. In this case, the people�s movements that the Vietnam Democratic Party can stir up will decide the survival and development of the Vietnam Democratic Party.

Please pay attention to the fact that the CPV is now in a difficult situation for oppression facing fierce reactions of the world community, the overseas Vietnamese, the people�s and religious forces in VN, and even within the ranks of the CPV or state (because the leaders of the Vietnam Democratic Party are also the communists!).

The fighting between the CPV and the Vietnam Democratic Party will eventually lead to the people�s negation of the Communist Party and its future existence will be jeopardized.

2004-2005 has become the most appropriate time for the formation and proclamation of the Vietnam Democratic Party as the Xth National Congress of the CPV will be coming next year and its preparation course and struggle prior to the Congress is fierce. The November 2 U.S. Presidential Election and the celebration of the 4th Anniversary of Charter 2000 at the end of November, 2004 will also be the best opportunities for the proclamation of the Vietnam Democratic Party worldwide.

V. THE ROLE OF THE OVERSEAS VIETNAMESE IN THE COURSE OF FORMATION OF THE VIETNAM DEMOCRATIC PARTY

The Viet Democratic Side�s International Forum and the Charter 2000 Movement will make every effort from now until the Xth National Congress of the CPV next year to advocate and canvass for this course of action to be materialized which pushes the communist progressive elements to do their task of creating a new (democratic) party within the ranks of the communist party, with the people and the world community backing behind, to move Vietnam to democracy, and to turn that Congress into a conference to proclaim an end to the totalitarian dictatorship and the birth of a democratic regime for Vietnam.

The Charter 2000 Movement will do its best to support the new party�s overseas headquarters for its sustaining development, before the Vietnam Democratic Party takes over the role of leading Vietnam in the transitional period to perform Vietnam�s democratization process with democratic elections. The CPV will retreat due to lack of supports of the people and cadres compared to the new (democratic) party.

The strategy to split the CPV into two parties will eventually produce the expected results which help abolish the dogmatic party (referring to the case of Russia above, with the Russian Communist Party being splitted into two wings now, and its darkest days of being eliminated by the people of Russia are foreseen ahead). The CPV is hard to avoid the fate of an obsolete party of the same kind with the Russian Communist Party.

We will be back on this matter in the Viet Marketing & Business Report #56 (4th Quarter, 2004) and on Dr. Long Ba Nguyen�s interview by the Vietnam Public Radio in November 2004, on the occasion of the celebration of the 4th Anniversary of Charter 2000.

-- Ho chi Minh Dam TAC (vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua'' @yahoo.com), September 25, 2004.

Minh` ghe't nhat' dua' nao` ho.c tie'ng Ta^y, ko tiep' thu dc ca'i hay cua? ta^y ma` la.i dung` tieng Ta^y noi' linh tinh, tho^i im di ko anh ro. mom~ may` la.i gio`

-- Tran (tuanminhnh@yahoo.com), September 25, 2004.

Go roi to long 2 em , em bac si chich dit Nguyen ba long va em Dam tac uc chau, Dung ra anh deo tra loi cac chu ,nhung cac chu loi ten cung com cua anh ra , anh danh phai tra loi.

1/ Tra loi statement cua 2 em : -Vietnam theo Xa hoi chu nghia , khong theo doc tai chu nghia (no dictatorship)

2/Cau hoi cho em bac si Long : Co bao nhieu hoi vien trong cai hoi to co cua em (2000 movement )? Anh chac chi co chung 5 ,7 dua , ai la nguoi bau em Long lam dai dien va mc cho cai hoi to-co( the nest of the handicap crane ) nay ?

3/ Tra loi cho cac cau hoi nhi nhang cua cac chu em : -Bi gio deo phai la thoi gian yeu sach, doi hoi hay nguyen vong vo van , neu cac chu ngoan biet nghe loi thi hi vong xet lai , nhung khong ai giam hua voi may chu day nha !

4/ Cac ca nhan nhu Tran xuan bach, Pham que duong,Nguyen ho la nhung con en khong the lam duoc 1 mua xuan dai thang .

5/ Tra loi cau hoi ve ton giao :] - Chan li bat di bat dich cua Cong San van la : -Ton giao la thuoc phien cua quan chung , cac chu su sai va cha nha tho chua bi gui di kinh te moi la phuoc duc ong ba ong vai chung no de lai rat nhieu .

Tong quat cho 2 chu bac si chich dit va chu dam-tac uc chau : -VN tren duong phat trien xa hoi chu nghia xet lai , di gan voi tu ban , nhung khong co nghia de cho cac chu doi hoi va chong lai nhung dinh luat can ban cua xa hoi chu nghia.

Vietnam la Vietnam Nga So la Nga so Trung cuoc la Trung cuoc .... Tuy cung mot chi huong Cong San cuoc te ,nhung moi cuoc-gia deu co nhung net dac -thu khac nhau , dac biet ve dan toc tinh , nen khong the so sanh voi nhau duoc .

Cac chu hay nghe Kennedy noi : - Cac chu da lam gi cho to cuoc chua , ma doi hoi to-cuoc phai lam cho cac chu ? [ Ask yourself , did you do anything for your country yet instead of ask your country be done it for you .]

-- Chi bua (mingo@netscape.net), September 25, 2004.

Thằng m�t chi bua mà gỡ rối cho ma. Th�i �i cook Barbecue pork với zhanzeming secret BBQ sause recepi �ể c�c anh trong �ảng �n nhe chưa.

-- (C�n_Ngố_�n-Dải-D�t@BBP.govt), September 25, 2004.

To trbapi: Oh no actually I don't know Vietnamese. That's why I understand perfectly what sick fucks you fucks are saying and am able to respond to them. I'm also multi-lingual, and writing in many languages was just to shut the copycat up and makes him start writing on his own.

Chi Bua: I couldn't have agreed any more on your last sentence. That is the key to winning this psychological war.

-- Ho chi Minh Dam TAC: I think for your plan to work you need to "actually" go to Vietnam and see it for yourself.

1) "The urgent need to find a course for peaceful transformation...It�d be better-off for VN to ally with the U.S. " LMFAO!!! This is the most rididiculous thing I've heard...go back to when the USSR turned anti-communism. If you can call that peaceful, you can go and hang yourself, fucking traitor! Collaborating with the US??? Let me ask you: IS IRAQ FREE RIGHT NOW??? IS IRAQ IN PEACE RIGHT NOW? Just shove your fucking ignorant mouth up your ass and watch world histories unfold itself into your eyes ok?

2) "The Vietnam Democratic Party will win over the Communist Party in the future on the ground of the supports of the people of VN, the overseas Vietnamese, and the world community." Mass number 1: Like I said, go back to Vietnam and see what the real vietnamese think of you traitors, Mass number 2: yeah that'd work...there're like 2000 people of half a million oversea Vietnamese who would be ready give in to your plan. Mass Number 3: Jesus!! Didn't know that word exists...oh yeah! sorry, yeah it does, and they all hate Vietnam right? That's right, at the moment there should be 0 countries in active trade with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, 0 countries with embassies in VN, and 100% establishing military alliances against VN. Maybe I'm just blind.

I'll leave the rest of that stupid proposal for you to peruse. You can also print it out and use it to clean up your messy part after each shot.

-- Jubinell (danorma3@yahoo.com), September 26, 2004.

Hello Dear,Chi Bua and Mr.Jubinell I am Mr.vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua'', the director in charge of Auditing and accounting section of Continental Trust Bank,Cotonou-Benin Republic in west Africa with due respect and regard. I have decided to contact you on a business transaction that will be very beneficial to both of us at the end of the transaction .

During our investigation and auditing in this bank,my department came across a very huge sum of money belonging to a deceased person who died on november 1969 in Hanoi and the fund has been dormant in his account with this Bank without any claim of the fund in our custody either from his family or relation before our discovery to this development.

Although personally, I kept this information secret within myself and my partners to enable the whole plans and idea be Profitable and successful during the time of execution.

The said amount was us$115M (Hundred Fifteen Million United States Dollars).

As it may interest you to know, I got your impressive information at the business net when i was browsing and searching for a reliable person to transact this GOD'S giving opportunity with.

And i believe that you will be capable to champion a business of such magnitude without any problem Meanwhile all the whole arrangement to put claim over this fund as the bonafide next of kin to the deceased,and to get the required approval and transfer this money to a foreign account has been put in place and directives and needed information will be relayed to you as soon as you indicate your interest and willingness to assist us and also benefit your self to this great business opportunity.

In fact I could have done this deal alone but because of my position in this country as a civil servant, we are not allowed to operate a foreign account and would eventually raise an eye brow on my side during the time of transfer because I work in this bank.

This is the actual reason why it will require a second party or fellow who will forward claims as the next of kin with affidavit of trust to the Bank and also present a foreign account where he will need the money to be re-transferred into on his request as it may be after due verification and clarification by the correspondent branch of the bank where the whole money will be remitted from to your own designated bank account.

Please, you have been adviced to keep top secret as we are still in service and intend to retire from service after we conclude this deal with you.

I will be monitoring the whole situation here in this bank until you confirm the money in your account. and ask us to come down to your country for subsequent sharing of the fund according to percentages previously indicated and further investment, either in your country or any country you advice us to invest in.

All other necessary information will be sent to you when I hear from you. I suggest you get back to me as soon as possible stating your wish in this deal. Yours faithfully, Vietnam CongSan Nuoi Heo nhieu lam '''

-- Ho chi Minh Dam TAC (vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua'' @yahoo.com), September 26, 2004.

hey Dam-tac The old scam which you said is really old . Try another freak trick, will you ?

-- Chi bua (broeker@sbcglobal.net), September 26, 2004.

To Chi Buu

Co biet dinh ly Pythagore ???? Quan trong nua la co hieu dinh ly do khong ??? No xua may ngan nam roi ma khong co ai hoc het lop tam ma khong hoc no ???

Xua khong quan trong. Quan trong la no dung.

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), September 26, 2004.

Trời c�u hỏi dễ qu� để t�i trả lời hộ :

B�nh phương "Jubinell" + B�nh phương "Ch� Bựa" = B�nh phương "c�n ểnh ương" .

-- thich du thu (toollovers@comcast.net), September 26, 2004.

Dear Mr.vietnamcongsans nuoi Heo nhieu qua

Umm...thank you for your proposal! Seriously!! I didn't know that there's that much amount of money sitting inside Vietnam.

Umm in answer to your proposal I have to say I'm very pleased that you've chosen us as your confidants among countless traitors abroad. To your request I have a few doubts that need clearing:

Umm don't the banks track down where the money is going and need to to know why it's going somewhere? This is to avoid "rua? tie^n`," if you know what I mean. Apparently the only country in the world that doesn't have such a policy is Switzerland, that's why in all hollywood movies you see cashes being poured into Swittz bank accounts. Obviously I'm not a Switz, neither do I have one Switz account, so I'm afraid you'd just have to sit tight until the Switz decides to take a look at your stack.

Umm I was surprised to find out that such a large amount of money could sit in Vietnam for a while without any corrupted government officers knowing about it and trying to take it. Umm...maybe they are not corrupted at all (Or maybe you're on crack as I speak)

Umm anyways I would love to keep it a secret except that you were stupid enough to post it on a forum full of crackheads like this one.

The said amount was us$115M. Jesus! Is that all in US dollars? Cuz you know every non-dollar government in the world sets a limit on how many dollars a person can have in his account, as they need to keep the dollar/domestic currency ratio relative stable so that in a financial crisis they banks don't all just go bankcrupt. Maybe, as I said, you're on crack again.

But anyhow, I'm on it. How do you do this. 50-50? Please let me know...when you get over your dependency period,

Savvy?

-- Jube (Jube@Jube.jube), September 26, 2004.

trbapi

Umm the pythagoras theorem is actually not good when you're talking about a relativistic uniform-motion frame, as proposed by Einstein. In this theory, lengths in the direction of motion gets contracted by a ratio gamma, where gamma = 1 / (1 - v^2/c^2), when observed by a moving frame relative to the frame of the events, but the length perpendicular to the direction of motion does not get changed!

Thus as you normally have tr ba bi ^2 + thich du hy ^2 = dam tac cac ^2, now tr ba bi has become retarded and his penis shrank, so the rest of the equation cannot possibly be true,

But anyhow that was a good approximation for low-speed cases,

-- Fisz dr,@ (fisix@fisix.fis), September 26, 2004.

Tra loi Fisz dr,@ (fisix@fisix.fis) Fisz dr,@ (fisix@fisix.fis) tra loi lang xet.

lengths in the direction of motion gets contracted by a ratio gamma, where gamma = 1 / (1 - v^2/c^2) == ???

gamma bi trat roi. Hoc hanh thi cho dang hoang. Dot ma sao thich choi chu ??? dung la Fisz dr viet cong ???

Viet cong thich dung dao to bua lon, hoc nhung khong hieu toi noi, toi chon.

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), September 26, 2004.

Tặng thằng heo con "You Be Nailed" tấm ảnh về nhà "lộng kiếng" với bác. :-))

-- _Đỉnh Ngu Trí Tệ CS (NgàyTànCS@KhátMáu.hn.vn), September 27, 2004.

Dear trbapi

Oh dear! The fault was on my part. Now You know how dreadful it is to type mathematical formulae from the computer, where some things just can't be found and you forget. Yes there's a square-root sign in the denominator. Thanks for pointing that out. Otherwise it would alters the basic working conditions of the relativistic Lorentz transformation.

And also because length is contracted, it's a division by gamma, not a multiplication as previously assumed when I mentioned: "gets contracted by a ratio gamma"

I hope that now with this final modification you're quite convinced that classical assumptions in physics do not accurately apply for the present, and definitely not the future.

In case you might be interested, my economics counterpart has some interesting examples of this same notion, that many assumptions of the past do not work for the future. His example dwells on the validity of the Phillips Curve, which depicts a hyperbolic relationship betweeen wage inflation and unwanted unemployment above the natural rate of employment. The theory worked fine for some time, but he relationship fell apart after 1960 in both the UK and the US, when a new factor, anticipated inflation, came into the picture.

Thus, I sincerely hope that you do understand we live in a moving world. The feigned letter above no longer works, due to new international transaction legacies that arise to corect a number of monetary scandals in the past decade--mostly from Russian mafia leaders endeavoring to pour money abroad--that, from here on out, forbids the free flow of intenational financial transactions without having them under governmental scrutiny and record keeping.

Veuillez recevoir mes salutations distingu�es,

Fisz, Dr.

-- Fisz dr (fisix@fisix.fis), September 28, 2004.

Đ�ng l� một bọn thất học, nghe một thằng đ�u đẩu đ�u đ�u n�i thuyết vật l� lớp 10 m� cũng cứng cả họng. N�i cho c�c đồng ch� biết hồi t�i học lớp 8 ở Việt Nam đ� giải to�n quốc tế ở trong lớp chuy�n lớp chọn rồi.

Anh-xtanh c� 2 ti�n đề, với ti�n đề thứ nhất, vận tốc của �nh s�ng lu�n lu�n l� c d� anh c� đứng ở đ�u v� di chuyển với vận tốc n�o. D�ng ti�n đề thứ nhất th� qu� dễ, 1 người di chuyển với vận tốc v sẽ thấy �nh s�ng di chuyển kh�ng phải l�n xuống theo một đường thẳng, m� theo 1 h�nh tam gi�c c�n. V� vậy, �nh s�ng sẽ phải di chuyển một đoạn d�i hơn cho n�n thời gian sẽ ngắn lại. L� luận tương tự với khoảng c�ch, c�c đồng ch� sẽ thấy người di chuyển sẽ thấy khoảng c�ch bị ngắn lại.

Nhưng nếu d�ng ti�n đề thứ 2 của Anh-xtanh, l� anh sẽ kh�ng thể n�o biết rằng m�nh đang di chuyển hay đứng y�n, rằng vận tốc l� tương đối, kh�ng bao giờ c� vận tốc tuyệt đối, th� c�c đ/c sẽ thấy v� l�:

Nếu chỉ v� c�c anh di chuyển m� thuyết pi-ta-go kh�ng đ�ng nữa, th� chẳng phải anh đang nh�n thuyết pi-ta-go với khiếm khuyết ư? Như vậy vận tốc của c�c anh l� vận tộc "phụ" so với vận tốc của vật thể m� tr�n đ� c� tam gi�c pi-ta-go. V� l�!

--- Ti�n đề Phillips chẳng bao giờ sai cả. N� đ�ng từ năm 1940 tới giờ, nhưng v� hồi xưa c�c cụ tư bản qu�n rằng người tư bản ngu si v� tham lam đến tận c�ng, cho n�n họ kh�ng nghĩ đến "lạm ph�t tự ph�t" do người d�n tự suy diễn lung tung. Nếu b�y giờ th�m v�o c�ng thức t�nh lạm ph�t từ thất nghiệp một ứng pi, tượng trưng cho lạm ph�t tự ph�t, th� thuyết Phillips sẽ đ�ng y si...chuyện kh� duy nhất l� l�m sao t�nh được lạm ph�t tự ph�t??? C� nhiều thuyết, nhưng thuyết m� đo�n kh� đ�ng bảo rằng lạm ph�t do người d�n suy diễn năm nay sẽ bằng với lạm ph�t m� người d�n thấy ph�t sinh từ năm trước,

Mẹ mấy b�i n�y thằng em tao học cấp 3 ở Việt Nam n� c�n giải nhanh hơn tao,

-- Jubinell (Jubinell@jubinell.jub), October 02, 2004.

"�nh s�ng sẽ phải di chuyển một �oạn d�i h�n cho n�n thời gian sẽ ngắn lại"

tr�ớc khi c�c �/c chĩa s�ng CH v�o mặt t�i t�i xin ��nh ch�nh: �oạn ��ờng d�i h�n c� nghĩa l� thời gian sẽ d�i h�n,

-- Jube (Jube@jube.jube), October 02, 2004.

Tra loi Jube Đ�ng l� một bọn thất học, nghe một thằng đ�u đẩu đ�u đ�u n�i thuyết vật l� lớp 10 m� cũng cứng cả họng = Dinh ly Pythagore ???

N�i cho c�c đồng ch� biết hồi t�i học lớp 8 ở Việt Nam đ� giải o�n quốc tế ở trong lớp chuy�n lớp chọn rồi == ????????????

Jube viet tieng Viet duoc ma ?

Jube cang viet cang dua cai ngu dot cua minh ra. That la nham nhi.

Toi khong muon mat thi gio ma noi chuyen ba lang nhang voi Jube.

Ciao

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), October 02, 2004.

Tra loi Jube ???

Vao day http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/reading.html roi tu kiem sach ve thuyet tuong doi ma hoc neu thich va muon hieu ro rang.

Dung tra loi bay ba nham nhi tum lum tren forum nay nua ????

-- trbapi (trbapi@yahoo.de), October 02, 2004.

Bac HCMZT de nghi chi thang you be nailed 1 khoan tien 119 trieu gi do de hop tac voi no, nhung no dung us dieu nay co nghia no muon ba thang anh my lam viec cho no thoi, cai coi cai chay loi ra 1 lu ngu ca. JUBE cang noi cang thay ngu het Friz Fret gi do cung tam bay luon.

-- (Tu_Rom@dllls.com), October 02, 2004.

that tinh` ma noi' thi` toi khong theo doi cai thread nay`...nhung doc. so so thi` thay lu Vem giong nhau 1 diem...chung' coi troi` bang` cai' nap vung voi' mo' kien thuc' con coc' cua chung'...thanh` ra khong muon day chung' thi` cung phai ngua' ngay'

"với tiên đề thứ nhất, vận tốc của ánh sáng luôn luôn là c "

di nhien trong toan hay Vat ly' hoc.....cac' nha` toan' hoc luon dat c, E , h, v, K, lamda la` 1 cai' gi` do' ....

vi' du. c = speed of light in vacuum = 2.998 X 1000000000 m/sec

vi vay van toc anh' sang' luon la` c thi` dau co' gi` de dang' noi' ??? vi` nha` bac hoc de dat nhu vay. thi` cu' vay ma` xai` ??? khong le bay gio` chung no' la dinh cao tri tue ....chung' muon sua speed of light = d ????

con` Enstein thi` co' rat nhieu theory.......ong ta tiep tuc proposed theory after theory......vi` vay cho nen moi nay sinh ra quantum physics

con` cai lu~ Vem. lau nhau duoc vai` ba cai' theory trong physics may` lao nhao vao day vung ti' met. thi` dung' that la` dai. bo^' lao'

-- Ho Chi Minh Ma Co (MoiRoCSBipBomHoChiMinh@damtac.ngu.net), October 02, 2004.