Is getting extremely drunk a mortal sin? Or is it a venial sin? I always thought that only the grave actions that may come about this is what would be a mortal sin. What does the Church say about this?

-- D Joseph (newfiedufie@msn.com), November 11, 2004

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Response to Getting Extremely a mortal sin?

i really don't care man...

i wont let noone take my alcohol away from me:)

-- Anonymous (anarchy_inthe_bedroom@hotmail.com), November 11, 2004.

Response to Getting Extremely a mortal sin?

The act might not be with deliberation; but done carelessly, it would be a mortal sin.

I doubt if just drinking until you are ''feeling happy'' is any sin. You can appreciate the Irish wake, for instance.

In Ireland the wake is held to bid farewell to your dear departed, and much liquor is passed around.

This presents the occasion of sin, of course; but once a drinker reaches the border between sobriety and stupefaction, he must be denied more drink. Just common sense.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), November 11, 2004.

Response to Getting Extremely a mortal sin?

DJ,

From the Baltimore Catechism:

Q. 282. How many things are necessary to make a sin mortal?

A. To make a sin mortal, three things are necessary: 1.a grievous matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will.

Q. 306. Is drunkenness always a mortal sin?

A. Deliberate drunkenness is always a mortal sin if the person be completely deprived of the use of reason by it, but drunkenness that is not intended or desired may be excused from mortal sin.

If you set out to get drunk, its a mortal sin. Otherwise its only venial.

PS--A Bloody Mary is rumored to be a good cure for a hangover ;-)

-- Brian Crane (brian.crane@cranemills.com), November 11, 2004.

Thanks for the replies. This question came up when I was speaking to another Catholic about the Sacrement of Reconciliation. It all started when he had gotten so drunk that he used a condom. When he confessed the sin, the priest told him that using a condom in a premarital situation wasn't a mortal sin. He said it would have been a worse sin to not use a condom in that sitution. This doesnt sound right. So here are my question:

1) Wouldn't there in fact be two sins worth confessing here? One would be premarital sex. The other would be using a condom. 2) Also, is one still forgiven for a confessed sin that the priest didn't absolve because he doesn't believe it is mortal?

-- D Joseph (newfiedufie@msn.com), November 11, 2004.

Yes to both your questions, D.

It also occurs to me, if he was so drunk that he did two things he knew were sins and otherwise wouldn’t do, how come he was sober enough to be able to put the condom on? This is actually a serious point. People try to excuse their behavior by saying “I was drunk and didn’t know what I was doing”, but that’s no excuse. You are responsible for your behavior, sober or drunk, unless someone forced the liquor down your throat or slipped extra alcohol or drugs in your drink without your knowledge.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), November 11, 2004.

DJ

The priest's position is completely wack. He needs to be straightened out. Your friend should tell him what the Holy Father has to say about contraception:

"Contraception is to be judged objectively so profoundly unlawful, as never to be, for any reason justified. To think or say the contrary is equal to maintaining that in human life, situations may arise in which it is lawful not to recognize God as God." (Pope John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano, Oct. 10, 1983).

-- Brian Crane (brian.crane@cranemills.com), November 11, 2004.

Your right steve as the same thing had occured to me. Also, nice quote from the Holy Father Brian.

-- D Joseph (newfiedufie@msn.com), November 12, 2004.

everything that is fun is a sin?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), November 12, 2004.

Sins kill the soul. Having fun shouldn't mean you damn your soul. We all love fun. God loves us. He gives us a choice; sin and die. Don't sin and live. It's more fun to live.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), November 12, 2004.

everything that is fun is a sin?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), November 12, 2004.

Absolutely not! Ihave fun all the time without sinning. I take my kids to the movies or to a theme park, I go out to lunch with a group of ladies and we talk and laugh and enjoy good food and conversation, I go duck hunting or deer hunting with my husband or just ride on the tractor or combine with him when we are on the farm, I call my mother on the phone just to talk and say "I love you !" I babysit my bestfriend's grandbaby, I sit at the table with my husband and kids surrounding me and have a meal and talk about what our day was like, we have game night where one of the kids gets to pick out a game to play that night, we go to Friday night football games and cheer for our home team.....these things are fun and I believe pleasing to God because I take time for my family and neighbors! Have a great day and say "I love you to those around you !"

Thanks and glory be to God !

-- Suzanne (james-betsy@sbcglobal.net), November 12, 2004.

please........

you are telling me that you are having fun?

i'm laughing my ass off

you can't have fun and hold all your christian commands in the same time

you can't even have sex unless you want a child to not even talk about other things,cos then i'll still be talking till tommorow morning

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), November 12, 2004.

Ha! And you're a total idiot.

S SILLY D DELUDED Q QUASIMODO A ANIMAL

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), November 12, 2004.

you can't even have sex unless you want a child to not even talk about other things,cos then i'll still be talking till tommorow morning ---sdqa

Huh???? What are you trying to convey here? Are you this ignorant about how to speak and type out a thought on your computer or maybe a high school drop out who never learned to properly type or speak?

Thanks and glory be to God forever and ever ! --Amen

-- Suzanne (james-betsy@sbcglobal.net), November 12, 2004.

you can't even have sex unless you want a child to not even talk about other things,cos then i'll still be talking till tommorow morning ---sdqa

***We want one every day...so we try.

-- Wanting (wantingmorekids@hotmail.com), November 12, 2004.

i am from china so don't blame me if my enlish isn't too good

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), November 13, 2004.

Your english we can put up with, but completely inaccurate statements like "you can't even have sex unless you want a child" is a hard to handle. Of course maybe you can blame your ignorance on being from China (there's probably not alot of good Catholic teaching over there), but not your arrogance, as in "I'm laughing my ass off."

-- Brian Crane (brian.crane@cranemills.com), November 13, 2004.

i live in canada

no cathlolic can't have sex before marriage and can't use contraceptives and when the have sex they must leave the possibility to have children open,look at the post of matrimony and childern

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), November 13, 2004.

S --Sick
D --Dead
Q --Quit, Fool
A --Awful Tells it all.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), November 13, 2004.

Sdqa, there’s a hell of a big difference between

“when they have sex they must leave the possibility to have children open” (Correct)

and “you can't even have sex unless you want a child” (totally WRONG. In fact to have sexual intercourse only for the purpose of having a child WOULD be a sin.

“everything that is fun is a sin?”

In my experience:

1. Sin sometimes seems like it would be “fun” at the time you commit it (that’s one of the Devil’s favorite means of temptation) but it ends up being no fun at all, in fact it causes untold misery, even in this life.

2. Catholics seem to have a lot more fun than non-Catholics. As the poet said,

“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,

There’s laughter and dancing and good red wine.

At least I’ve always found it so.

Benedicamus Domino!”

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), November 14, 2004.