Hello,

Just wondering if anyone has come across any writings on the Eucharist by Hans Kung. I do not agree with his theology, but I am just interested on his stance with regard to the Real Presence, intercommunion and the sacrifice of the Mass.

Blessings,

James West

-- James West (jwest_1@yahoo.co.uk), November 30, 2004

Answers

Bump.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), November 30, 2004.

I don't know what his stance is on the Real Presence. I'm pretty sure I don't care to know, since he is famous for his stances and persistent heterodox views about so many other issues like papal authority, infallibility of the Church, divinity of Christ, rules on priestly celibacy and on and on. In 1979 the Vatican announced: "Professor Küng may no longer teach theology and may no longer be considered to be a Catholic theologian..."We are obliged to declare that in his writings he fell short of integrity and the truth of Catholic Faith."

-- Brian Crane (brian.crane@cranemills.com), December 01, 2004.

Kung has caused himself a lot of problems by his public battle with the Vatican.

He believes that a stumbling block to Christian Unity is the doctrine of infallibility.

His theology of the divinity of Christ is that the "glorified Christ" is what makes Christ, Christ.

You gets into theological "nuances" that I'm not sure I can grasp fully.

He was very wrong in battling the Vatican. But, he is still a priest in good standing (as far as I know). He MUST believe in transubstantiation to honor his duties as a priest.

If you get into the meat of his writings, I'm not sure if he doesn't have some legitimate arguments, but he has shot his credibility in the foot by being an intellectual that can't argue without being an egomaniac.

There are a lot of intellectuals in the Church, as other fields,that are that way.

God bless

-- john placette (jplacette@catholic.org), December 08, 2004.

I really enjoy Hans Kung, yes he does appear to be overly critical of the church but in reality like any prophet all he is doing is challenging what is not essential and reminding us of what is. As I read him I imagine and ask myself what woould Jesus say if He walked into the Vatican? I am afraid He would be crucified again and like the gospels...it would be done by religious people and maybe even in the name of god.

-- Jean Perez (qbanman@aol.com), December 16, 2004.

You were going OK til your last sentence Jean. The Vatican has never crucified anybody, and your idea that it is ever likely to is sheer bigoted sectarian nonsense. And if you don’t mind, we spell God with a big G around here. WE believe that there’s only one God.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), December 17, 2004.

Hmmm. Maybe no-one was crucified. But there sure were a lot of people burned and tortured... Or doesn't that count? Infallability is not a Catholic doctrine of longstanding (basic church history) and therefore has a right to be questioned. And as for a typo over a big or small "G"? Well, show the guy a little Christian compassion...

-- mike kerr (mikekerr28@yahoo.com), January 07, 2005.

Mr. Kerr:
Who told you the Church burned and tortured a lot?

Certainly it would ''count'' if it were true.

And, why do you bring up infallibility? It's not a doctrine by definition. We know what we mean. Christ ''certified'' Peter 100% infallible. His authority was imparted to him. Do you dispute the infallibility of Jesus Christ?

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), January 08, 2005.