After weeks of pouring millions in humanitarian and military aid into their country, the government of Indonesia has decided in their infinite wisdom to thank the United States. And how is the world's most populous Muslim nation going to do this?

They're kicking us out. That's right...having used us for what they needed, the America-haters are purging the great Satan. How nice. Vice President Jusuf Kalla announced that all foreign troops must leave by the end of March. The insults continued, as he said: "Three months are enough. The sooner, the better. In the future, there will be no need for the foreign military presence."
Oh really?

We'll have to remember that the next time Indonesia needs something, or another natural disaster occurs there. Already, in response, the United States has scaled back plans to base Marines in that country and pulled out the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln that was off its shores. Indonesia is seeking debt relief...perhaps we should think twice before helping them any further?

Thanks for nothing, Indonesia. We'll have to remember this one. And we should also remember that no good deed goes unpunished.

Also ... remember that Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation. Think about it.

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), January 13, 2005

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the islam is fucking them all up...,it makes them short-sighted and teaches them false moral

i really wonder how they can believe all that crap

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 13, 2005.

Hmmmm

They're kicking us out. That's right...having used us for what they needed, the America-haters are purging the great Satan. How nice. Vice President Jusuf Kalla announced that all foreign troops must leave by the end of March. The insults continued, as he said: "Three months are enough. The sooner, the better. In the future, there will be no need for the foreign military presence." Oh really?

And you wonder why KOBE has such a problem with Muslims? On one hand, they are willing to blow us up, or crash passenger laden planes into skycrapers in New York City. But at least they are willing to throw us out after giving them millions in aid, right? THEY SUCK. Not just the Muslims/Islam in Indonesia, but wherever it is practices. The more closely one follows the religion of Islam, more is revealed.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 13, 2005.

I can understand their worry about us having a presense there. We are a feared nation plain and simple. You have to put yourself in their position. Are you sure it is a snub or is it just a paranoia of us telling them what to do? Alot of times when people do you favors they expect favors back that might go against your will. It does not offend me unless they become rude.

-- Brasky (brasky@nukemalltohell.com), January 13, 2005.

C'mon now. Let's say there was a major Tsunami that killed millions in California, and because of transportation problems secondary to this, the first people there to give aid was the Mexican Army. How do you think the government of the U.S. (not to mention headcases like SBM and white pride's American cousins) would feel about having *armed* foreign soldiers on U.S. soil? Not too good, I bet. Do you think our government would encourage them to stick around for a year or two after governmental control was re-established?

I don't see Indonesia saying all AID WORKERS should leave, just foreign troops. That really doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.

Bazooka joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 13, 2005.

heh.. like any other country would give us aid.

-- Tam (curious@curiouser&curiouser.com), January 13, 2005.

C'mon now. Let's say there was a major Tsunami that killed millions in California, and because of transportation problems secondary to this, the first people there to give aid was the Mexican Army

Um, is this EARTH you are talking about? That test has already been failed. Three major earthquakes, one affecting San Diego (Tijuana North) itself. First in 1970 (6.1), then the two major ones after. Any aid from Mexico? How about aid from ANY country? Alright....no aid. How about humanitarian assistance (digging out bodies, removing rubble).....NO? You are a fool. Either you are living in a cave somewhere near Easter Island, or you got some damn good drugs to be so far removed from reality

...the first people there to give aid was the Mexican Army

BWAHAHAHA

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 13, 2005.

Mexico? Army?

Are you serious? The only time Mexico would send an army would be if they tried a new way of sneaking Mexi's across the boarder.

"Psst... lets get some goodwill uniforms and as soon as the Americans turn around, disband and get ourselves some minimum wage jobs".

And Ill say what I said before. Not all Muslims suck. Just like I dont hate ALL Americans... just those I deal with on a dialy basis. My buddy Ahsan is billiant. He prays to Mecca every day, eats his candy, reads his holy scriptures, plays his video games and generally doesnt like his parents, like a lot of teenagers his age. Would he ever take up arms in real life against someone, or be a general dick for no reasons other than teenage hormones? No.

-- KC (kc@kc.com), January 14, 2005.

First, thanks, Kayce, for the comment on the other thread. I really like this little board and I will continue to come here...and be good. You might be interested in hearing that KOBE has opened a non- KOBE branded Open Publishing website at http://www.indy-media.org where you can surf safely without seeing "mudslum" or "Mexicunt" posted anywhere. Its our "sanitized" version of conservatism....much like the IMC network, but with a right-wing/progressive/neo- conservative slant.

To Dick Tator:

Hey man, you know you have my respect. But in case you hadnt realized it (but I know you have), your viewpoint is rather advanced for a young man your age. I forget that you are in the 20-something age range.

To Bazooka Joe:

You still havent gotten past the "if KOBE likes it, then I dont" phase, and so you are not yet ready for serious debate. If you could only drop the folded-arm ostrich approach, and rely on FACTUAL information, then we can go somewhere. I cant say very much if you present incontrovertible evidence, now can I? For instance:

Illegal immigration is a CRIME. Therefore ALL illegal immigrants are criminals.

That is a FACT, and there is no effective argument against it. On the other hand, if I were to say

All Muslims are terrorists

I would be wrong. As Kayce pointed out, there are Muslims who practice a form of the religion which is benign and peaceful. Thing is, that form is NOT accepted by the Holy Men of Islam. The Koran leaves little room for re-interpretation, having the virtue of being written very clearly and without riddles or parables. The orders for violence against non-Muslims is clear and final. To me, practicing this "new form" or Islam is not practicing Islam at all....its something different entirely. Now if I were to say

Most major terrorist acts worldwide have been committed by Fundamentalist Muslims

I would be stating a FACT. Again, there is no room for debate there. Understanding my point here?

Now I suggest you research your comments more carefully. If my arguments and comments were based on such shaky and incomplete foundations, I wouldnt feel vary confident.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 14, 2005.

Illegal immigration is a CRIME. Therefore ALL illegal immigrants are criminals.

That is a FACT, and there is no effective argument against it. On the other hand, if I were to say

SBM,

I never said it wasn't. OTOH, you are ALSO a criminal. If you drive, I highly doubt you've never speeded, but you say "well, those crimes DON'T COUNT, but looking for work when you can't find any, now THAT is a major offense. IMO, you aren't the arbiter of which laws we have to follow and which ones we don't, that's all. I don't define a hungry person looking to work for food for his family equivalent to a killer, you do. I understand perfectly what you're saying, I just don't like your beliefs.

BTW, you never did answer who you'd like living next to you: the illegal immigrant who other than entering the country illegally and working without proper papers has otherwise not committed any crimes, or the U.S. citizen who is a child molesting, raping, murderer (who likes to steal his neighbors' goods while they are at work and shit in their pool) who happened to not be prosecuted on a series of technicalities. Be honest now, given this situation, how much do you value citizenship compared to the health of you and your family?

Bazooka joe

-- 2 (1@3.4), January 14, 2005.

I think that while you are speeding you are a criminal. However... while your not speeding you are a law abiding citizen. You see, when these illegals go back to their own country, then they to will no longer be criminals. They will be law abiding... um... NON- citizens.

If we get caught speeding, we get a ticket or worse. Now however, Bush wants to reward illegals by saying, "Youre already here... stay here." That make about as much since as saying, "Youre already speeding... keep speeding!"

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

BTW, you never did answer who you'd like living next to you: the illegal immigrant who other than entering the country illegally and working without proper papers has otherwise not committed any crimes, or the U.S. citizen who is a child molesting, raping, murderer (who likes to steal his neighbors' goods while they are at work and shit in their pool) who happened to not be prosecuted on a series of technicalities. Be honest now, given this situation, how much do you value citizenship compared to the health of you and your family?

Hmmmm. Youre good.

First, lets look at your example: a child molesting, raping, murderer (who likes to steal his neighbors' goods while they are at work and shit in their pool) who happened to not be prosecuted on a series of technicalities.

Quite a stretch of the imagination there, huh? Given that HIGHLY UNLIKELY situation, I would of course prefer the illegal immigrant. But since we are talking about REAL LIFE, what are the chances that if you picked out 20 random persons of Mexican ancestry from a walking crowd of people, at least 1 would be an illegal alien? According to the statistics, that is the proportion (at least in California).

I admire your humanitarian and moral principles, but that's not what the American People are going on. They are counting on the Federal Laws of this country to protect them against illegal immigration. In each state where immigration reform has been on the ballot, measures pass overwhelmingly by those states. The illegals cry "RACISM!" as a last gasp effort to gain sympathy, but it never materializes. The truth is that illegals are draining our country. Its like the straws and the proverbial camel. Each straw is almost nothing individually. Take a MILLION straws, and you have quite a load there. The camel is going to feel it.

Is it okay to invite the illegals in your state to come live with you? Perhaps you can pay for their healthcare, their schooling, their day to day expenses, and in return, they will pick lettuce for you for a dollar an hour. Is it really worth it? Doesnt matter, since the American People have spoken.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 14, 2005.

I missed this, but I just HAD to address your comment:

"the illegal immigrant who other than entering the country illegally and working without proper papers has otherwise not committed any crimes"

EXCUSE ME?

Your logic escapes me. The CRIME of entering the country illegally ALONE is enough to warrant imprisonment....at the very least, deportation. Its a FELONY. Working without "proper papers" is also a felony, both to the worker AND the employer. I dont understand your position at all. What is the advantage to Americans? A sub-minimum wage slave class? I dont think that's very moral, Joe.

Bottom line: Illegal immigrants are FELONS, and deserve nothing in this country. Nothing at all. They should work to build Mexico, and if they really want to emigrate, then they can go through the proper channels. You are trying to build a foundation on oatmeal.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), January 14, 2005.

Anyone who thinks illegal immigrants in the US are OK or justified should be shot. And to further this i think any illegal immigrants should be shot too. they may be terrorists, cant be to sure. arabs look like mexicans anyway. If my ancestors could come legally why the hell cant they?

-- nikkitator (aloneandconfused19@yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

As long as there's employers willing and continuing to hire cheap slave labour underground what can one do? SHoot Them ALl? Hmmmmm you'd bE shooting urself in the foot along with 1000's 'o' others in want of cheap shoddy goods and services!

-- (wtf@wtf.com), January 15, 2005.