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sex is good
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005
Not always !! Why ?? See , sex-abuse:wikipedia.org/wiki/Ne crophilia
wikipedia.org/wiki/Ped ophilia
And , unfortunely , the list goes on and on !!
Such cases are done by sick selfish perverts !!
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Sex (my vision) , is ok when 2 adults (+18) , really are in love with eachother , and when they both agree to make love , because of love , so , when they really love eachother !!
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
Drugs are good too. But when you abuse them, failing to use them in the manner for which they were designed, they can kill you.
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), February 07, 2005.
Sex (my vision) , is ok when 2 adults (+18) ,2 adults what the **** dude?
sexaul maturity has nothing to do with age.....
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
OK , sdqa , let's take an extreme example , suppose 2 kids , age 10 & 11 have sex and get a baby (theoretical , it's possible in some cases) , is that ok ??Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
Neither of you knows a thing. But you talk as if you were masters. Laurent has no right to enter here, a religious forum, to spread his errors; and sdqa is a sick boy-girl.This is true, because he/she gives us the provocative sort sentence, ''sex is good''-- as if Catholics were telling him sex is bad. We never said that. In fact, sex covers many different activities, some very good and some evil. It's neither good or bad, just biological reality.
Sdqa has in the back of his dirty mind the intent of ''showing'' how good evil activities are. Not sex in matrimony or for children or under the laws of God. Shucks, not even the sensible laws of hygenics. He sees sex as good especially when it's gross or illicit. He loves to masturbate and thinks homosexual acts are good.
But he-she, as with Laurent-- dresses it all up as ''love''. That makes him seem reasonable, a good counsellor?
Laurent is the worst possible counsellor; he's barely literate and totally indifferent to morality or God. Advice from Laurent might as well be coming from a barnyard animal. He calls ''love'' what's basically desire. Only desire and gratification of the senses. When that's finished, Laurent will just find another object for his desire. So will sdga the indecent one. I know they'll both object. But they can't convince a Christian. WHY?
Because true LOVE above all desires the GOOD of our loved ones. Love makes that soul whom we love the center of our affection with or without satisfying the biological urge to mate. --Any hog in the corral can mate with another one. They're particularly good at sex. But no swine is filled with love for another. God tells us in Paul's epistle; such are these evil men whose God is their belly. And, yet-- here are two; eager to pass on their wisdom! The depraved one, sdqa; maintaining that ''sex is good''. Well, death will not result in anything good for this one.
The silly Laurent; ''Sex (my vision), is ok--''MY vision! Give me a break! Laurent has a vision from the worm-heap. He loves because it's OK. If ''they love each other''. Like evil men and women LOVE; very passionate!
Then they both die and are sent to Hell where there's never love, only hatred. Laurent can love a woman so much he's willing to help her go to hell for fornication. She will love him to the fires of hell; forget about morals. At least worms die and become slime. They aren't in Hell for eternity. They have nothing called ''love'', so they cannot trivialize the word; like these two ungrateful souls do. Failing completely to appreciate everything God has given them. Their only God is their belly.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
yeah but between two 16 year old,15 year old,14 year olds IF they really feel ready for it,why not?who are you to judge them and what they feel?
sexual maturity has nothing to do with the age
btw sex is legal in belgium from 16 years and 15.8 is the aproximate years is the age most ppl do it for the first time
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
What an idiot. In French, they call kids like you enfants terribles. But you're really crude imbeciles.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
Well Mr Chavez , thx for your useful advice !! Muchas gracias !!Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
Trust me, teens arent "Sexually mature". And barrign an abiltiy to both compeltley mautely handle anythignloife has t offer,payign oens own bills, livign in ones own house, and beogn prepaired ot care for any posisble children ( which even condomns and the pill combined dont always hender) and the abiltiy to commit to each other so they dotn feel used and do eahc other complete emotional hard, then they arent mature enouh to ha sex.I dont know many 16 year olds that are "Sexually mture" becaue most still cry ot their parents when things go wrong and tend ot be in it "Just for fun".
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005.
sdqa ,Personally , I think the age of 16 is too young , because most of them don't anything about life , they are still kids !!
I know , the law in my country says it's ok , but that doesn't mean I agree !! I wouldn't let allow my kids having sex at the age of 16 !! When I was 16 , my parents wouldn't even allow me too go out or having a date or even a girl as a friend (the lastone , I didn't appreciate it) !! After all , I'm glad it happened so ; except for having a girl as a friend !!
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
Here's a bit of Laurent's wisdom:''Personally , I think the age of 16 is too young , because most of them don't [know] anything about life, they are still kids!!
I guess Laurent hasn't yet learned how so many marriages were made in the past; uniting a girl of 15 to young man of 16 or 18; in HOLY MATRIMONY. It wasn't uncommon in France and Belgium.
These were lasting and blessed marriages-- and they were between KIDS. In our own family trees, we most probably have a few ancestors who were married as adolescents, and went on to have as many as 15--16 children! They were holy SPOUSES!
So age itself isn't such a big problem. It's the SINFUL adolescent who should never get sex for nothing, so-called free ''love''.
Sex for money is even MORE evil. Boys who get sex at brothels or in the street are definitely on the way to Hell. Not because they ''don't anything about life , they are still kids,'' --as Laurent thinks. Because they break a commandment God makes for all men. They aren't innocent; they KNOW it's evil. Spqd and Laurent know. They just think they can get away with everything. One will try to say,
''I didn't know anything about life , we were still kids . . .'' -----You were fornicating kids. You lived in unrepented sin.
Laurent will attempt to say: ''It never occurred to me the Church was telling me the truth. I DEMANDED PROOF. --I was an unfortunate Non-believer; so my sins don't count!''
They count. You've become well- informed and it will be too late to learn very soon. You can't get away with your sin.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
Sex for money is even MORE evil.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
But eugine, in thos cultures the Adolecents held jobs and assited h community and had a senc eof repsoncibility. Nowadays, they do not...This si why sex at such an age ( pr any age for an unmarired) is a bad idea.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005.
So age itself isn't such a big problem. It's the SINFUL adolescent who should never get sex for nothing, so-called free ''love''.An interesting challenge 4 U:
Visite my country , and than you marry in my country , a 15 year old girl and have sex with her , or don't marry and still have sex with her !! You said: "so age itself isn't such a big problem." !!
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
Is there something wrong with what I said? I said it was SIN; not the youth of the sinner, which one must deplore. --A boy of high school age is already a hardened sinner in some places. I've met men, fathers-- who take their son to a brothel to ''TEACH'' him about sex with prostitutes, as if there wasn't anything evil about it.These are offenses against sex; not ''good sex''. Good sex is what GOD gave us to enjoy with the mothers of our children. Not in the street, like cats and dogs.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
"I guess Laurent hasn't yet learned how so many marriages were made in the past; uniting a girl of 15 to young man of 16 or 18; in HOLY MATRIMONY. It wasn't uncommon in France and Belgium.These were lasting and blessed marriages-- and they were between KIDS. In our own family trees, we most probably have a few ancestors who were married as adolescents, and went on to have as many as 15--16 children! They were holy SPOUSES!"
[finally i agree with eugene on something]-sdqa
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
The present is not the past , and what will the future be , bring us ??btw , I don't know the minimum legal age for having sex in the usa ??
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
and to you laurent:if you think that 16 years is too young for sex,i don't give a ****,your opinion matter 0 to me,if they want to do it,then let them do it,who are you to come in between? who are you to take their most fundamental freedom away? just because YOU 'think' that it's too young? just because you knew nothing when you were 16 doesn't mean they don't
what your parents were doing to you is simply insane,if i had your parents i think i'd be in prison and they six feet under...
do you know how much it hurts when you love someone (and it doesn't mean if you were all ****** up when you were 16 and didn't knew what love was,that all 16year olds don't...) and that person means the world to you and your ****** parents come in between and ruin your relationship,ruin something so perfect,so sacred,so special,do you know how much that hurts?
well i know,cause i've been through that and i still keep asking myself the same question
why?
what for?
why did they need to be like that?
what did we do wrong?
because "we are too young"
please dude,spare me that ****
i can say just one thing,i hope you never have children...not with that attitude
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
what your parents were doing to you is simply insane,if i had your parents i think i'd be in prison and they six feet under...sdqa , so , you probably would kill your parents for that ??
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btw: you don't like my opinion , that's ok , no problem with that !!
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
and to you laurent: if you think that 16 years is too young for sex,i don't give a ****,your opinion matter 0 to me,
{nO ONES OPINON MATTES O YOU, UNLES IT CORROSPOND WIH YOUR OWN VEIWS. tHIS IS YOYR LARGEST PROBLEM...}-Zarove
if they want to do it,then let them do it,who are you to come in between?
{If I car about them, then it smu duty. if they have no job, and no real arrangement to liv eon their own, and ar elike most 16 year olds, then they do NOT have the "Fundamntal right" to sex, sicn ehtye cant en car for THEMSELVES let alone a partner.
Lets nto forget the aforementioend emotional isues, even if its "Just for fun', that always occure with sex, and the posibiliy of chldren, disease, ect...imaigne how tryign that is on an adult wiht their own lif eunder contorle, withotu a stable commitlemt, now amplifiey that by adidnt that its nto an adult who undertsnads rpeosncibility btu a teenager who retreats ot play Gameboy and sulk when he learsn hsi Girlfrind is pregnant...}-Zarove
who are you to take their most fundamental freedom away?
{They only have hti as a fiundamental freedom if thy are mature enough to get jobs and pay rent and take rsponcibilty for their actions. Most 16 year olds arent. I dotn even think form your postign you are...}-Zarove
just because YOU 'think' that it's too young?
{Oh, I do more htan just think it lad, in the vast majority of cases they still live at hoem and ac tlike childrne...}-Zarove
just because you knew nothing when you were 16 doesn't mean they don't
They may know how to have sex, that dosnt mean they udnersand the fll ramificaiton of sex, such as the aforementioend ( and ifgnored) emotional reporcusions. they may notthink out he poisbiltiy ofparenthood.They may not relais ehtre posisbilit of disease even if inofmred. They may be too immature to relalyt hink it all the wy through, as most adolecents are.}-Zarove
what your parents were doing to you is simply insane,if i had your parents i think i'd be in prison and they six feet under...
{Nice to knwo that beneith your angeru exterior lays the heart of a ruthless killer...
Reay, do you thik that killing peopel becaue you disagree with their desisiosn is good? I actually HAD an abusive upbrigning, and I don wish my mother dead now, or then.}-Zarove
do you know how much it hurts when you love someone (and it doesn't mean if you were all ****** up when you were 16 and didn't knew what love was,that all 16year olds don't...) and that person means the world to you and your ****** parents come in between and ruin your relationship,ruin something so perfect,so sacred,so special,do you know how much that hurts?
{Assumign you relaly ar e"In love" and not just infatuated. You knwo whats funny, a lot of girls when I was 16 ignroed me as the looser. They went withthe ool guys.Theyw hre "In love". The guy used them, had sex, then dumped them. 12 years have past, and now Im cool, Im dependable, have a decent paycheck, wll alyas be there, will met their needs, and be availabel for matue, repsoncible desisions.
Their former lovers form high school are largley on welfare, or work menial labour becaue they lacked disipline.
If thy had it to do all over again, they woidl have bnever had sex with such loosers.
How cool they looked htedn, and how mych they though they whr ein love, and how much hey thought they knew about love then, melted away when the cold hard world came along.
Lets actually consider how peopel can think somehign is trye and it not be, and relaise its nto alays in their best inerest to have sex with whomeve thye thik hir in love with.}-Zarove
well i know,cause i've been through that and i still keep asking myself the same question
why?
what for?
why did they need to be like that?
{thats thre queatsions. And you wul undesnsd when older.The Irony is I ask similar queasiosn abot other things, btu at leats mien are tempered with expeirnce and learning.Usually I di what you WHERNT ALLOWED TO DO, and regeted it and ask "Why"?}-Zarove
what did we do wrong?
{ You potentially had a child. You potentially harmed eahc other on a much deeper emotional level had yo broken up on your own than this. You where ofrming a biond that wa suntenable coniderign you on even have tour own life yet and are on yor parents dole. That a start?}- Zarove
because "we are too young"
please dude,spare me that ****
{as you age eiuther your beleifs will change, ot you will remian immature nd be like the "Coll guys" wrkign minimal wage jobs...By the time yor foldign panty hose in a factory soemhwre, ill have my doctorate completed.Think about it.}-Zarove
i can say just one thing,i hope you never have children...not with that attitude
{ I hope you dont, sicne yo will let them ruin their lives bu letitgn hem act on impulses unchecked.}-Zarove
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005.
Don't make a fool of yourself (AGAIN) sdqa.You find it wonderful, that I said a young man can participate in sexual union with his WIFE, and still be responsible before society and before GOD?
We aren't talking about a young SINGLE man. Not even an OLD single man. Sex is a sin unless we are MARRIED, and not otherwise. To be a KID sinner is no excuse. You throw away your chance for everlasting happiness in heaven, with God. And-- BTW,
There is NO ''most fundamental freedom'' to have sex when you haven't been joined to the spouse in marriage. That's sin, not freedom. And what you think is: ''Oh, MY! --that person means the world to you and your ****** parents come in between and ruin your relationship, ruin something so perfect, so sacred, so special, --Is BS. Nothing like perfect, sacred or even special about ''relationships.''
Get married if it's so special. The only TRUE relationship is between a man and his wife. The rest is fornication and evil. Whether you're a 16 year-old or a 70 year-old. ''--Perfect Sacred Special'' means nothing when you're GOING TO HELL for it. >>>>>Do you know how much THAT hurts? <<<<<<<<
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
zarove,all the things you mentioned can also happen to adults,there is no single reason that adults should have more sexual rights than ppl below 18and not everyone who was sex is a slut,get's stds,get's pregnant and i don't know what else...
and you tell me that you aren't a loser because you have a good paycheck?...i think this statement already made you a loser
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
What is freedom ??Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 07, 2005.
to be able/have the right to do whatever you want if you don't harm others with it...
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
Yeah, freedom to lose your immortal soul. Freedom to cause another soul who gives you sexual satisfaction, to burn in hell for it. Freedom to be stupid.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 07, 2005.
yeah!
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
You misse dmy ppint SQ. Its not about the money itsself, tis about my STABILITY.uNLIEK THE MEN THEY DATED IN HIGH SCHOOL, iM stable AND reliable.
is they remained withhteyr ex's from high school whom 'They wher ein lvie with" they woidl curently have emotional abuse, men who didnt care about their emotional needs, men who didnt wan tot listen to them if they whre uposet, as he game is on, men who didnt want to tlak about problems, cause thi too busy getting drunk withtheor friends, men who didnt want ot pick up the kids as it takes away form their time lazying around the ouch, ect...
The reaosn I have a better paycheck than thes emen is because I WORK, and hey DONT.
Get it?
I also listen to women, and try ti help peopel, and dont just cater to my own selfihs and immature "needs", which are rellay just petty wants, mere physical pelaures I demands others do for me.
Thats why they like me more.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005.
dude,i think you have a stereotype view of ppl who don't have the same ideas about sex as you have...we're not all idiot ****heads...
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 07, 2005.
I have life expeirnce on how owmen see peopel liek you in 10 years.wait till then, see what Im talkign abtu first hand, see guys like me landign women and you loosign them ( the reversof high shcool) and then complain.
Its nto a strytype, wpen prefer real repsec tto rebellion when they wan tot settle down, and prefer stability to random chaos as they did in their misguided youths.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 07, 2005.
sqda, maybe my life expierence may helplets see, where to start......i lost my virginity at 13. I figured what the hell, everyone else is talking about how sex is just sooooooo great. Lets just say it was the most boring 8 minutes of my life. Over the next few years i did it with a couple of other people....wasn't that fun then either. I figured i had to have been missing something, all my friends were sleeping with dozens of partners. When i was 16 i felt so in love with this guy. I thought hey this it it. It was still BORING!. Then when i turn 19 I got married. Then sex became good. But there is not a day that goes by in my life that i don't regret my past. Having sex before i got married is the one thing that just depresses the hell out of me everyday. I love my husband and we have a great marriage and 3 boys. We are truly happy, but there is no doubt in my mind that if at some point something from my past comes up, there will be some serious issues. That goes for husband or wife, jelousy is human nature. You may not think you will ever get married, hell i never did. But when i was young all i thought about was partying. Whether it was drinking, drugs, or just casual sex.
I know this probably wont effect you in any way, but i thought it would be nice for you to see that your actions now have lasting consiquences. You most likely wont see that until its too late but i thought i could try anyway
-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), February 07, 2005.
i'm almost 21...i lost my virginity when i was 15...it was so great,i'm never going to forget that...i don't just have sex with anyone,but i'm not a prude like most people on this sitewhat you are talking about is a relative thing,it's like pizza,when you eat a good one,it's the most delicious food in the world,but when you eat a bad one you wanna throw up...same thing with sex
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
well zarove,i don't give a **** how women will see me over 10 years,i am myself and i am keeping my identity,no matter if the whole world is against it,if they are going to judge me based on that i stand for sexual freedom for people below 18,that i think there's nothing wrong with pre marital sex...etc,then i really don't need their apreciation,then i don't want nothing to have to do with them...also you are talking about women that YOU know...probably also (fundie christian)stereotypes just like you
why would some normal girl have problems with me just because i want sexual freedom?
i first look from who it comes,and then what it is...
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
i'm almost 21...i lost my virginity when i was 15...it was so great,i'm never going to forget that...i don't just have sex with anyone,but i'm not a prude like most people on this site
{tHERE IS A DIFFEENCE BETWEEN BEING A PRUDE AND being wise enough to know of long term consequences. also note, women expeirnce diffeent things than sex. Men after sex feel empowered, women do not, instead they feel vlnerable. If the man has casual sex, he is less likely to feel sued and degraded, becase of he senc eof empwerment. if the owman has casual sex, she will feel sued and deraded.Kat's expeirnces are those of a woman, not a man's.
This is anothe rting you ovelrook, the pain you iwll cause OTHERS.}-Zarove what you are talking about is a relative thing,it's like pizza,when you eat a good one,it's the most delicious food in the world,but when you eat a bad one you wanna throw up...same thing with sex
{No, its not relative.Men who mature regret their conqieasts. Of coruse not all men mature. But then, that aforementioend felign of empowerment they get tend to go to their head the more sex partners hey take,an sex becomes less nad less of a Loivng act and more and mroe abotj feelignt he physical pleausre and empowerment form the conwueast. this in turn has effecton oen sperosnality to turn onw into a more self centred, arrogant jerk. this is why sexual addiciton is mroe difficult for men to acknoweledge and relinquich han women.
we can even se it reflected in you, in yor arigance. Over ime you will gorw to relaise how this si not in your own best interst, and beign concumes only with a esire to pelase yorself will spill over to all apspects of your life, causign yo pain in the reflected pain yo case others. we are all conencted, and yor selfishness will caue no good end. even for yourself.}-Zarove
well zarove,i don't give a **** how women will see me over 10 years,i am myself and i am keeping my identity,no matter if the whole world is against it,if they are going to judge me based on that i stand for sexual freedom for people below 18,
{This is why, even thogh you mayfind it easy to land a woman now, you ill find it near imposisble to do so when you hit 30. The younger oens that don relais eocnsequnces wnt want an old man liek you then, and he ones your age will want stability, not "Sexual fredom", and least of all will they wan to feel sued and degraded by an arrogant and self centred jerk.
hope you like loniliness, because unless you change ( you will most likely, most do) hen you wont find a very successful lif awaitign you.}-Zarove
that i think there's nothing wrong with pre marital sex...
{what o think is immaterial to the reality, which imperical scentiific data can confirm.}-Zarove
etc,then i really don't need their apreciation,then i don't want nothing to have to do with them...
{In shot, tis all abotu you and self gratiifcation. You wan he right ot use women to make yourself feel empowered, and to use them for your own pelausee. This reduced sex formt he pretened " Act of Love" you in the apst claimed it to be, and makes it nothign but yo using somone else for self engrandisement.
This is more admirable?}-Zarove
also you are talking about women that YOU know...probably also (fundie christian)stereotypes just like you
{I'm neither a fundie, as anyone on this baord wll attenst, nor a sterytype. Trust me. I'm radicaly different form a fundamentalist Christin and my whole charecter is far removed formt he sterotype.
As to women I know, they run the gammut. Dont be so swift to presume.}-Zarove
why would some normal girl have problems with me just because i want sexual freedom?
{Most normal girls in heir mid to late 20's and earlu 30's woidl htink your an immagurfe brat and have nohign to do with you. and no, their not fundie sterytypes, Im tlakign wmen in genral.}-Zarove
i first look from who it comes,and then what it is...
{what if it coems form an atheist? What if shes no a fundie Christaina nd still says she dosn feel liek beig used and degraded by you and demands actual, real respct, not "Sexual freedom" which in relaity is licence for yo to use her for your own ends? Trust me, it will happen, and yo wil blame them, becase heaven forbid you be to blame...}-Zarove
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.
look zarove,i think you got me wrong...i'm not like having sex with anyone just for fun...etc,but i also don't judge ppl who are like this as long as they don't pretend to be in love and play with someone's feelings,but neither i say that it is a good thing...my personal view on sex is doing it when i feel so(this is no general rule or something this is only about me and how i personally feel about it)i can't do it when i don't love someone,but i also don't put rules when to do it when i do love someone...i think sex without love is kinda empty and love without lust(not nesecarry sex in the classic way)also
if someone judges someone else because they have sex with anyone they want just to feel empowered or for fun...ok...but i don't ok? people are different and if someone feels that way about it it is his/her thing not mine
but i do have a serious problem if someone judges someone because of fornication or sex below 18...
i think i already explained why...certainly to you zarove
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
Listen, sdqu.
Nobody cares when or why you 'lost'' your virginity. Keep your disgusting history to yourself.We have no prudes around here; we simply know what sin is, and we're going to keep on declaring it. You aren't welcome here at all-- unless you start showing a littel respect for others, and for their religious views. Nobody summoned you here; and when you leave, nobody will cry because you're gone.
You've benefited by our information and our warnings. If you reject these, OK. Choose your own fate. However, get started showing a little respect. First, knock off this cute little ''i don't give a ****'' routine. You may speak to imbeciles that way, but we know you're covering FILTH with ....'s --and we don't like it. So get out if you haven't any concern for others here. And don't come back.
I for one don't enjoy hearing what YOU think about sex. We have our own ideas in the matter, and we won't be offending God. You don't care, so take it where others don't care. This is a Catholic forum. We'll be expecting our forum Moderator to ban you from here soon. Unless you play down this crude attitude you've been allowed to parade for SOOOO LONG. Way too long.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 08, 2005.
to laurent:
Metallica Lyrics
The Unforgiven (First Verson) Lyrics(i think these lyrics perfectly fit in this discussion...)
New blood joins this earth
and quikly he's subdued
through constant pain disgrace
the young boy learns their rules
with time the child draws in
this whipping boy done wrong
deprived of all his thoughts
the young man struggles on and on he's known
a vow unto his own
that never from this day
his will they'll take away
what I've felt/ what I've known/ never shined through in what I've shown/ never be/ never see/ won't see what might have been/ what I've felt/ what I've known/ never shined through in what I've shown/ never free/ never me/
so I dub thee unforgiven
they dedicate their lives
to running all of his
he tries to please them all
this bitter man he is
throughout his life the same
he's battled constantly
this fight he cannot win
a tired man they see no longer cares
the old man then prepares
to die regretfully
that old man here is me
what I've felt/ what I've known/ never shined through in what I've shown/ never be/ never see/ won't see what might have been what I've felt/ what I've known/ never shined through in what I've shown/ never free/ never me/
so I dub thee unforgiven
you labeled me
I'll label you
so I dub thee unforgiven
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
SQ, what you htink is immaterial tot he objectie relaity that what you do now IS shallow and empty. when you find a real love, then you eill see how shallow your love relaly is.And how regretful your atiosn ahve been.
we concern outseles little ith immature opinions, we care only for the facts.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.
man what is immaterial and shallow and empty? allowing ppl below 18 to have sex? and not condemning fornication?...i know what love is and if you knew also you'd never have a need for marriage in that way and you'd never been condeming sex below 18what you are saying is shallow bull****,there is strict age for sexual maturity...
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
there is no strict age fro sexual maturity...***
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
there is no strict age fro sexual maturity...***A weird case: What would you do , if catch your kids having sex , already , at the age of 10 years old ??
A little search with google delivers me: The youngest mother became mother at the age of 5 years 7 months , even it is so , I call this not normal !!
sdqa ,
sorry , I don't like Metallica , except for the songs , One & Nothing Else Matters , and on the first album , there are a good few songs , but not really my kind of music !!
To be honest: I never read the lyrics , I'm only interested in the music itself !!
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
-- Laurent LUG (.@...), February 08, 2005.
man what is immaterial and shallow and empty?
{yOUR TZKE ON LIFE AND RELAITONSHPS, BASICALY. oNE CAN TLEL FORM YOR TNE AND SWORDS THAT YOU WOIDLNT WANT A LOGN-TERM EALATIONHSIP. A SOON AS IT GETS ROCKY AND THE WMAN SINT SO NICE ANY MORE, YOU DITCH HER AS YOUT " nOT IN LOVE" BECAUSE SHES BEIGN MEAN AND TERRIBNLE...}-Zarove
allowing ppl below 18 to have sex?
{Marriage, not age 18, is the ideal. However, in our culture, 18 year odls typiclaly lakc the capacity to truely commit or knwo what Love is, we keep them without responcibility for logner than any culture previosu to us, and so they lack the ocncept.Thus on average it is unwise to allow them to marry.}-Zarove
and not condemning fornication?...
{Yo allow fornication si to allow paina nd sufdering. You allow STD spread ( een with OCndomns, inded paces where condm sales are highest also have the highest STD rate) emotional severence, ect...
By buildign up the ideal that sex with a few popel before you "Fall in love" is OK, you shrot circit the ability ot bodn wiht one spaific partner, btu do not eliminate the genertic dsire to bodn with one spacific person, hus leadign o an ultimatley unflfillign sex life and depresion, btu why worry abou that?}-Zarove
i know what love is
{No, you do not. You don even know what manners are...}-Zarove
and if you knew also you'd never have a need for marriage in that way and you'd never been condeming sex below 18
{I never mentioend an age limit, and in some states its 16, and in the UK its 16. I condmen sex outside of marirage and do nto adocate the average 18 year odl to marry simpley by irtue of their lakc of ability to car for themselves as they yet have not leanred repsoncibility.
Hwoever advocatin stable, alsing rleaitonships reduces stress, feelins of worthelsness, and other isues, physical and emotional, hat fornicaiton brigns.}-Zarove
what you are saying is shallow bull****,
{what Im sayig is base don imperical rsearhc, 2 millionyears of Human hisotry, knowledge of soconsewuences, and wish for peopel to have a stable and happy life, and make th emostof it. Thats not shallow, nd its backe dup pesonal observaiton, life experne, and icnece.
Yours is base don wha you want ot be true.}-Zarove
there is strict age for sexual maturity...
there is no strict age fro sexual maturity...***
{OK, so let 5 year odls ahv sex? why not let me have sex with an 8 year old girl? why not, cant she decide? ( Befor oyu call me sick, rmmeber, Im expriessign whats wirng wihh "Sexual freedom" that is advocate dby you, I don ant to dat an 8 year old, sicn ehty have yet to learn to share theyr blokcs, let aloen balance a schedual...}- Zarove
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.
Wow, sdqa is really messed up...major issues.Anyway,
Led Zeppelin > Metallica
-- Jacob R. (webmaster@stpeterslemoore.com), February 08, 2005.
sqda, OBEY YOUR MASTER!
-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), February 08, 2005.
"man what is immaterial and shallow and empty?{yOUR TZKE ON LIFE AND RELAITONSHPS, BASICALY. oNE CAN TLEL FORM YOR TNE AND SWORDS THAT YOU WOIDLNT WANT A LOGN-TERM EALATIONHSIP. A SOON AS IT GETS ROCKY AND THE WMAN SINT SO NICE ANY MORE, YOU DITCH HER AS YOUT " nOT IN LOVE" BECAUSE SHES BEIGN MEAN AND TERRIBNLE...}-Zarove "
[no you ****** judgemental piece of ****,it's my dream find someone so great that i'd spend whole my life with that person,you make these statements simply on the fact that i stand for fornication and teenage sex...am i supposed to take you serious from now on?]-sdqa
"{Marriage, not age 18, is the ideal. However, in our culture, 18 year odls typiclaly lakc the capacity to truely commit or knwo what Love is, we keep them without responcibility for logner than any culture previosu to us, and so they lack the ocncept.Thus on average it is unwise to allow them to marry.}-Zarove"
[there is not really a need for marriage in true love...true love doesn't need such gestures,promises or formalities,it already has it all...yes trust me...i knew what love was when i was 15...and many others know...our culture sucks...it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach...it's based on weaker and stronger...it's based on unequality...it's based on fake fictious morals...it's based on lies]-sdqa
{Yo allow fornication si to allow paina nd sufdering. You allow STD spread ( een with OCndomns, inded paces where condm sales are highest also have the highest STD rate) emotional severence, ect...
By buildign up the ideal that sex with a few popel before you "Fall in love" is OK, you shrot circit the ability ot bodn wiht one spaific partner, btu do not eliminate the genertic dsire to bodn with one spacific person, hus leadign o an ultimatley unflfillign sex life and depresion, btu why worry abou that?}-Zarove
[no,std's have nothing to do with this...condoms prevent this quiete good...and i really don't have sex with everyone...
no i can't bound to many(and i didn't sleep with them all) because they're not the right person to spend my whole life together for me or i not for them...
and i was also bound to some...well quiete some...]-sdqa
"there is no strict age fro sexual maturity...***
{OK, so let 5 year odls ahv sex? why not let me have sex with an 8 year old girl? why not, cant she decide? ( Befor oyu call me sick, rmmeber, Im expriessign whats wirng wihh "Sexual freedom" that is advocate dby you, I don ant to dat an 8 year old, sicn ehty have yet to learn to share theyr blokcs, let aloen balance a schedual...}- Zarove "
[5 year olds don't even have their sexual organs developed yet...there i no strict age i said...that doesn't mean that there is no aproximate age...]-sdqa
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.
"man what is immaterial and shallow and empty?{yOUR TZKE ON LIFE AND RELAITONSHPS, BASICALY. oNE CAN TLEL FORM YOR TNE AND SWORDS THAT YOU WOIDLNT WANT A LOGN-TERM EALATIONHSIP. A SOON AS IT GETS ROCKY AND THE WMAN SINT SO NICE ANY MORE, YOU DITCH HER AS YOUT " nOT IN LOVE" BECAUSE SHES BEIGN MEAN AND TERRIBNLE...}- Zarove "
[no you ****** judgemental piece of ****,
nICE TO SEE YOU USING PROFANITY AND LYING ABOUTME.iM NOTBEIGN JUDGMENTAL. IM SAYING "tHERE ARE CONSEQUNSES TO OUR ACTIONS". How is that jugmental? becuae it conflucts with yotr worlfveiw soemhoiw? Your more judgental by attakcign us and our beleifs than we are addressing your complaonts.
it's my dream find someone so great that i'd spend whole my life with that person,you make these statements simply on the fact that i stand for fornication and teenage sex...am i supposed to take you serious from now on?]-sdqa
Because you advocate a chain of thought thta wodl make cmmiment meanignless. what will you offer htis dream girl? The fac thta shes girl 27 that youve takentot he sack? and again, as liferogresses with her, other irls may begin to look good as you grow bored with her, then what? Just say " It asnt true love" and move on? I speak form expernce here, you are wastign your lie by advocatign this, as it leads direclty to desurction.
what os sex profit you?Mere physical pelaure? if so, then this is all it wil become to you, and you wont have any wy to bidn with any girl. If an expresion of love, then imit it tothe one you are COMMITED to for the rst fo your lif and wom tou are ared is likewise commited to you.
That isnt beign as judgemental as you insisting we beelive as you do or else shut up.
"{Marriage, not age 18, is the ideal. However, in our culture, 18 year odls typiclaly lakc the capacity to truely commit or knwo what Love is, we keep them without responcibility for logner than any culture previosu to us, and so they lack the ocncept.Thus on average it is unwise to allow them to marry.}-Zarove"
[there is not really a need for marriage in true love...
This is false. True lvoe ead to ture comitment, an tur comitment is marriage.
true love doesn't need such gestures,promises or formalities,it already has it all...yes trust me...i knew what love was when i was 15...and many others know...
Yes thats hwy the girl you 'where in true lvoe" with dumped you... No, you do knwo true love, you know good feeligns and the pul to be with someone, the lnging and desie and elation and enraptures glory of string an intence pasion, and wrecjlessnes sof touth, and the intence desires, but you do not yet knwo love.he still, qiet, gnele hand, the austerity, the kowign theother person... Love, not passion and lust, you know not.
our culture sucks...
I agree btu for opposite reasons.
it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach...
Uhm, this is insane.
1: Our culture is curently a democratic republic with no set heirarchy.
2: Its been shown in Psycology that a lakc of boundaries henders progress. As oppsoed to a removal of bondaries.
ill explain later, but I do think you lack undertsanding of efiniton leadng to excellence and lack of ruls leadign to disorder.
it's based on weaker and stronger...
No, its base don majorital rule...
it's based on unequality...
"That all men where reated equel" cms ot mind...
it's based on fake fictious morals...it's based on lies]-sdqa
The onloy fake fictitious morals i se are yours. The Morals of tHe hcurhc are the mroals that sicnece proves generates happiness and ling life.
{Yo allow fornication si to allow paina nd sufdering. You allow STD spread ( een with OCndomns, inded paces where condm sales are highest also have the highest STD rate) emotional severence, ect...
By buildign up the ideal that sex with a few popel before you "Fall in love" is OK, you shrot circit the ability ot bodn wiht one spaific partner, btu do not eliminate the genertic dsire to bodn with one spacific person, hus leadign o an ultimatley unflfillign sex life and depresion, btu why worry abou that?}-Zarove
[no,std's have nothing to do with this...condoms prevent this quiete good...and i really don't have sex with everyone...
Condomsn dont prevent it "quiet good" . ( And its wuiet well.Not wuet good. for furute reference.) Check he charts. tjose who abstan have no STD's. those who engae in protected sex make up the larges majority of STD carriers. That is a sobering hought from the CDC.
no i can't bound to many(and i didn't sleep with them all) because they're not the right person to spend my whole life together for me or i not for them...
If ou arnet spending yor swole lif iwh them, why sleepwihthem at all?
and i was also bound to some...well quiete some...]-sdqa
No you wherent, or else you woidl stil be with them...
"there is no strict age fro sexual maturity...***
{OK, so let 5 year odls ahv sex? why not let me have sex with an 8 year old girl? why not, cant she decide? ( Befor oyu call me sick, rmmeber, Im expriessign whats wirng wihh "Sexual freedom" that is advocate dby you, I don ant to dat an 8 year old, sicn ehty have yet to learn to share theyr blokcs, let aloen balance a schedual...}- Zarove "
[5 year olds don't even have their sexual organs developed yet...there i no strict age i said...that doesn't mean that there is no aproximate age...]-sdqa
Thats the basic dea behind "Asge of Concent" laws, and why the usual tactic is minimalistic. ( Thus Age of concent in most alces is 16.)
aGE OF coNCENT IS BASE DON THE AVERAGE AGE OF SOEM RESPNCIBILITY AND CONORLE OVER OENS OWN BODY AND LUSTS. tHOUGH THE YOUHT SELOM EXCRSISE SUCH DISCRESSION.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 08, 2005.
"If ou arnet spending yor swole lif iwh them, why sleepwihthem at all?"[because some things don't have to last forever to have still a great value...]-sdqa
[5 year olds don't even have their sexual organs developed yet...there i no strict age i said...that doesn't mean that there is no aproximate age...]-sdqa
Thats the basic dea behind "Asge of Concent" laws, and why the usual tactic is minimalistic. ( Thus Age of concent in most alces is 16.)
aGE OF coNCENT IS BASE DON THE AVERAGE AGE OF SOEM RESPNCIBILITY AND CONORLE OVER OENS OWN BODY AND LUSTS. tHOUGH THE YOUHT SELOM EXCRSISE SUCH DISCRESSION. "
[well,it's 16 not 18...for me it was fifteen...yes 16 is probably the aproximate age...but no strict rule]-sdqa
"[there is not really a need for marriage in true love...
This is false. True lvoe ead to ture comitment, an tur comitment is marriage. "
[true love has often already commitment...marriage often doesn't...you don't seem to get what i am talking about...you make your ideas about me and about how i and my mind is but you don't listen to the things that i try to explain to you...]-sdqa
"true love doesn't need such gestures,promises or formalities,it already has it all...yes trust me...i knew what love was when i was 15...and many others know...
Yes thats hwy the girl you 'where in true lvoe" with dumped you... No, you do knwo true love, you know good feeligns and the pul to be with someone, the lnging and desie and elation and enraptures glory of string an intence pasion, and wrecjlessnes sof touth, and the intence desires, but you do not yet knwo love.he still, qiet, gnele hand, the austerity, the kowign theother person... Love, not passion and lust, you know not. "
[yes she maybe didn't care...but i did...i know that love is not only lust and pleasure and magic feelings...but these things are also a very big part of it]-sdqa
"it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach...
Uhm, this is insane.
1: Our culture is curently a democratic republic with no set heirarchy. "
[there is no democracy...the politicians make up the programs between whuch we can 'choose'(what is there to choose if they already chosen what we have to choose?)
and often they don't even keep their own programs...the people decide nothing...]-sdqa
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 09, 2005.
"If ou arnet spending yor swole lif iwh them, why sleepwihthem at all?" [because some things don't have to last forever to have still a great value...]-sdqa
WE ARENT TALKIGN ABOUT A VIE HERE, RATHER A permenet CHANGE. oNCE YOU HAVE HAD SEX WITH MANY PARTNERS, YOU WILL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO COMMIT TO JUST ONE, AND IMPOSISBLE TO GIVE ALL OF YOURSELF TO HER, SICNE PAET OF YOU WAS LEFT WITH EVERTY SEX PARTNER INT HE PAST.
Will the current "Great Value" you find in temproary sex partenrs be worth coverign the rorive ha your one true love is acutlaly girl 27 youve taken to bed? That wont make her feel special, and "love" wont make that paiun of your past go away either.]
[5 year olds don't even have their sexual organs developed yet...there i no strict age i said...that doesn't mean that there is no aproximate age...]-sdqa
Thats the basic dea behind "Asge of Concent" laws, and why the usual tactic is minimalistic. ( Thus Age of concent in most alces is 16.)
aGE OF coNCENT IS BASE DON THE AVERAGE AGE OF SOEM RESPNCIBILITY AND CONORLE OVER OENS OWN BODY AND LUSTS. tHOUGH THE YOUHT SELOM EXCRSISE SUCH DISCRESSION. "
[well,it's 16 not 18...for me it was fifteen...yes 16 is probably the aproximate age...but no strict rule]-sdqa
for you I odubt its come yet, you are too immatue to handle sex, as demonstrated hee. Just ebause you had sex at 15 dosnt mean you where rellay ready, dispite your chwering your depravity.
"[there is not really a need for marriage in true love...
This is false. True lvoe ead to ture comitment, an tur comitment is marriage. "
[true love has often already commitment...marriage often doesn't...
Or so you say. Marigae by definition is ocmmitment, hwoever, and your verison of true love lacks any commitmen or true love.
you don't seem to get what i am talking about...you make your ideas about me and about how i and my mind is but you don't listen to the things that i try to explain to you...]-sdqa
Oh I listen, I jut dont agree. Your lile most I speak to, if you disagree, you arent listening...
"true love doesn't need such gestures,promises or formalities,it already has it all...yes trust me...i knew what love was when i was 15...and many others know...
Yes thats hwy the girl you 'where in true lvoe" with dumped you... No, you do knwo true love, you know good feeligns and the pul to be with someone, the lnging and desie and elation and enraptures glory of string an intence pasion, and wrecjlessnes sof touth, and the intence desires, but you do not yet knwo love.he still, qiet, gnele hand, the austerity, the kowign theother person... Love, not passion and lust, you know not. "
[yes she maybe didn't care...but i did...i know that love is not only lust and pleasure and magic feelings...but these things are also a very big part of it]-sdqa
No, there not, and unti you realis THAT fact you wont understand true love. True love is ilustated in Chis, a sinless man, dyign for us on a cross. Thats true love, an dno warm feeligns there.Just pain and seperation form God or the firts time in his existance. for us.Nohtign you had for that girl compares to this.
"it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach...
Uhm, this is insane.
1: Our culture is curently a democratic republic with no set heirarchy. "
[there is no democracy...the politicians make up the programs between whuch we can 'choose'(what is there to choose if they already chosen what we have to choose?)
That's why i called it a dmocratic repiblic, not a straight democracy. its representative, not direct. However, all Govenrment is by concent f the govenred, and if the popualce decided ot ignroe Washington DC, it owidl no longer hodl any power.
and often they don't even keep their own programs...the people decide nothing...]-sdqa
Again, read poliitcal thort. All Govenemet is by concent f the goverend.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 09, 2005.
"If ou arnet spending yor swole lif iwh them, why sleepwihthem at all?" [because some things don't have to last forever to have still a great value...]-sdqaWE ARENT TALKIGN ABOUT A VIE HERE, RATHER A permenet CHANGE. oNCE YOU HAVE HAD SEX WITH MANY PARTNERS, YOU WILL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO COMMIT TO JUST ONE, AND IMPOSISBLE TO GIVE ALL OF YOURSELF TO HER, SICNE PAET OF YOU WAS LEFT WITH EVERTY SEX PARTNER INT HE PAST.
Will the current "Great Value" you find in temproary sex partenrs be worth coverign the rorive ha your one true love is acutlaly girl 27 youve taken to bed? That wont make her feel special, and "love" wont make that paiun of your past go away either.] "
[it's all relative...i know people who had sex just for fun their whole life long and then found suddenly the true person for each other and stayed together and are still together...should they then avoid having sex and relationships and remain a virgin till they are 40 or what? the harm of that can be much worse than the harm of having casual sex...also you can marry someone and have sex then and see that it's not the right person for you and split up...and marry again and split up again...etc...also how can you marry someone without having sex with them(you consider even intimate touching sex...)...further i'd like to say about that you can also be bounded to someone without having sex and be much more bounded than someone else who had sex...if you consider everything that gives you an erection sex...then kissing is also sex...at least in my case...doesn't that bound me also...so what sould i do then...first marry and then get into a real relationship with someone...your theory makes no sense zarove...there are cases like that...but it isn't a rule...and you can get similar problems without having sex...]-sdqa
"[there is not really a need for marriage in true love...
This is false. True lvoe ead to ture comitment, an tur comitment is marriage. "
[true love has often already commitment...marriage often doesn't...
Or so you say. Marigae by definition is ocmmitment, hwoever, and your verison of true love lacks any commitmen or true love. "
[marriage is by definition commitment...but in theory often something else...my version of true strong love already contains commitment with it...but there are different kinds of love...]-sdqa
"No, there not, and unti you realis THAT fact you wont understand true love. True love is ilustated in Chis, a sinless man, dyign for us on a cross. Thats true love, an dno warm feeligns there.Just pain and seperation form God or the firts time in his existance. for us.Nohtign you had for that girl compares to this."
[are you comparing the love my relationship with the love in christian relgion?...what has christ to do with this? this is a different kind of love than christ has...]-sdqa
"it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach...
Uhm, this is insane.
1: Our culture is curently a democratic republic with no set heirarchy. "
[there is no democracy...the politicians make up the programs between whuch we can 'choose'(what is there to choose if they already chosen what we have to choose?)
That's why i called it a dmocratic repiblic, not a straight democracy. its representative, not direct. However, all Govenrment is by concent f the govenred, and if the popualce decided ot ignroe Washington DC, it owidl no longer hodl any power.
and often they don't even keep their own programs...the people decide nothing...]-sdqa
Again, read poliitcal thort. All Govenemet is by concent f the goverend."
[than just call it fictive democracy zarove...]-sdqa
-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 09, 2005.
"If ou arnet spending yor swole lif iwh them, why sleepwihthem at all?" [because some things don't have to last forever to have still a great value...]-sdqa WE ARENT TALKIGN ABOUT A VIE HERE, RATHER A permenet CHANGE. oNCE YOU HAVE HAD SEX WITH MANY PARTNERS, YOU WILL FIND IT DIFFICULT TO COMMIT TO JUST ONE, AND IMPOSISBLE TO GIVE ALL OF YOURSELF TO HER, SICNE PAET OF YOU WAS LEFT WITH EVERTY SEX PARTNER INT HE PAST. Will the current "Great Value" you find in temproary sex partenrs be worth coverign the rorive ha your one true love is acutlaly girl 27 youve taken to bed? That wont make her feel special, and "love" wont make that paiun of your past go away either.] " [it's all relative...mORAL RELITAVISM DOESNT EXIST. tHE SAME BIOLOGICAL AND PSYCOLOGICAL EFFECT REMAISN CONSTANT THROGHUT CULTIRES.REGARDLESS OF RATHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO BELEIVE ITS true.
i know people who had sex just for fun their whole life long and then found suddenly the true person for each other and stayed together and are still together...
But the queatsion is, is there sex life as good as it may have been? Had they waited, it woidl have been muhc better, and mo mnginful. right no hey have contentment, not passion, at elats that is the geenral rule. nothat you shall listen to anyone bu yourself.
Besides, we dont knwo how lign hey have been togather. A year? 5? I doubt yor talkign abotu 20 years here...
should they then avoid having sex and relationships and remain a virgin till they are 40 or what?
Sex yes, relationhsips no. You seem to think sex and relationships work in a lock step, thy dont.
And few remain a vigin at 40, tose that do arent however misisng out nessisarily. And soem peopel just don want sex, ever think of that?
the harm of that can be much worse than the harm of having casual sex...
No, it cant.
also you can marry someone and have sex then and see that it's not the right person for you and split up...and marry again and split up again...etc...
Or marry a eprson who si a virginw hen you are a virgin, AND find it workign out...Hypotheticals dotn work here, Statistical Data disconfirms the commonality of your adovcational liestyle eladign to successful marirage or happness in life.
also how can you marry someone without having sex with them(you consider even intimate touching sex...)...
I odnt consider "Intimate touching" sex. I consider it " Intimate toughing." Relaly you are suhc an American.
alswyas with rpesumption.
And Once marired you can have sex, thats the poi of marriage. Unless you mean " How can youmarry someoen tou sidnt have se with before you maired them", an hen the answer is simple. because I reespect them enough to wait.
further i'd like to say about that you can also be bounded to someone without having sex and be much more bounded than someone else who had sex...
This is not a contention I make issue agaisnt.
if you consider everything that gives you an erection sex...then kissing is also sex...at least in my case...doesn't that bound me also...so what sould i do then...first marry and then get into a real relationship with someone...your theory makes no sense zarove...there are cases like that...but it isn't a rule...and you can get similar problems without having sex...]-sdqa
I never said "Every tiem you have an erection you had sex." thats just stupid and msirpresenting what I said. as a man, i have erections if I don go to the bathroom and have to hodl it in too long!
Stop presuming what I think sex is and actulaly try to listen , and sto; beign an ingratious imbecile.
"[there is not really a need for marriage in true love... This is false. True lvoe ead to ture comitment, an tur comitment is marriage. " [true love has often already commitment...marriage often doesn't... Or so you say. Marigae by definition is ocmmitment, hwoever, and your verison of true love lacks any commitmen or true love. " [marriage is by definition commitment...but in theory often something else...my version of true strong love already contains commitment with it...but there are different kinds of love...]-sdqa
Your "Version' doesnt matter,objective relaity rules agisnt you.
"No, there not, and unti you realis THAT fact you wont understand true love. True love is ilustated in Chis, a sinless man, dyign for us on a cross. Thats true love, an dno warm feeligns there.Just pain and seperation form God or the firts time in his existance. for us.Nohtign you had for that girl compares to this." [are you comparing the love my relationship with the love in christian relgion?...what has christ to do with this? this is a different kind of love than christ has...]-sdqa
Then its not true Love. and who said anyhtign abit rleigion. Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his borther.
"it's based on a hierarchal system where noone is trully free and where the human race could never reach what they could reach... Uhm, this is insane. 1: Our culture is curently a democratic republic with no set heirarchy. " [there is no democracy...the politicians make up the programs between whuch we can 'choose'(what is there to choose if they already chosen what we have to choose?) That's why i called it a dmocratic repiblic, not a straight democracy. its representative, not direct. However, all Govenrment is by concent f the govenred, and if the popualce decided ot ignroe Washington DC, it owidl no longer hodl any power. and often they don't even keep their own programs...the people decide nothing...]-sdqa Again, read poliitcal thort. All Govenemet is by concent f the goverend." [than just call it fictive democracy zarove...]-sdqa
That woudl be innacurate
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 09, 2005.
I have a few questions concerning premarital sex:I would like to know where exactly in the Bible where it says we cannot have premarital sex? Half because I'm curious and I really need to get around to reading the good book, and half because I need this for a paper I'm writing.
Next question, and this one is more personal:
I've already decided to marry my girlfriend. And she wants me to marry her. I've proposed. But I'm not financially able to support her and a family yet, even though we are engaged. Would sexual relations be counted as premarital even though in my heart I view her as my wife? Is this an issue based soley on how one interprets the situation?
-MK
-- Matthew Edward Kaden (mekaden@mail.uh.edu), March 11, 2005.
Morality is never based on subjective feelings. It is based on objective truth. The truth in this situation is that "no fornicator will enter the Kingdom". (1 Cor 6:9) There is no exception for those who "feel" that their fornication is justified, any more than there is an exception for someone who "feels" that a particular murder is justified.
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), March 11, 2005.
I have a few questions concerning premarital sex:And I shall answser them.
I would like to know where exactly in the Bible where it says we cannot have premarital sex? Half because I'm curious and I really need to get around to reading the good book, and half because I need this for a paper I'm writing.
sEVEAL PLACES MENTION IT.
for starters, try 1 corinthians chapter 6. Read the wole chapter, take special note of "FVlee fornication"
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband
Several other passages exist in the Bibel as well, in both old and new testaments.
I will post mor eupon reqieast.
Next question, and this one is more personal:
I've already decided to marry my girlfriend. And she wants me to marry her. I've proposed. But I'm not financially able to support her and a family yet, even though we are engaged. Would sexual relations be counted as premarital even though in my heart I view her as my wife?
It is still wrong. You need to marry her properly first.
Likewise, one must also ask the logical queasion. if you cannot support her at this time, why have sex with her? what if you ave a child with her before marriage? Is not this worse on you financially?
If you are lannign on moivng in with her, then why nto just marry. if you paln on havign sex with her, why not jsut marry?
Aainm if you cannot support her int he context of marriage, why are you caable of supportign her without marriage?
Is this an issue based soley on how one interprets the situation?
No, it is not. inded, you seem to ":Intepret " it to read hwo you wan tit to tread. you cannto mary her btu you can have sex with her? thats nto even sane. if you cannto provide for her wy shodk you do this? If you marry her it owidl be better.
-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), March 11, 2005.