Hello sdqa. Hey man, I have a question for you? Truly, are you continuing to stay within this forum for trouble, or are you really serious with your agruments and comments? Why is it you despise the Roman Catholic Church, the TRUE people of it and not the hyprocrits?

Have you ever looked at Church history or Catholic web sites? It's just that all your questions have been answered and you seem to ignore it and you just continue to stay here and argue about how "you" proved or have proof the RCC is wrong. I'm only curious man.

Besides that, are you in a metal band? Because you mentioned before that you play gutair, or at least like metal.

-- Jason (enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), February 17, 2005

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Hello sdqa. Hey man, I have a question for you? Truly, are you continuing to stay within this forum for trouble, or are you really serious with your agruments and comments? Why is it you despise the Roman Catholic Church, the TRUE people of it and not the hyprocrits?

[well i stopped with the arguments now...because you don't really seem to understand what i am telling,i have nothing against catholics as individuals,but you can't deny the trouble the institution caused for centuries...i wanted to make you see the truth,so that you don't rely blindly on an institution that caused so many problems and could cause some more...why i despise the RCC or catholic church,however you want is because they used religion to manipulate,to control,for their own profits,they didn't teach the gospels to the people,they red it in latin,they made ppl believe in lies(indulgences and scapulars),they gave theirselves the authority to teach whatever they want and to bring up dogma's out of nothing and they justify this by taking verses from the bible out of the context,and they still do this today;this isn't right,they caused problems by not teaching the christian religion like it really is(and i'm not saying that (all) protestants do so)and still today they don't teach the christian religion like it is,jesus never gave them the authority to teach non-biblical doctrines...i have arguments for everything i said...i despise the institution because it didn't change the world like jesus did,imagine that every single catholic was like that,imagine in what kind of world we would live today,no they used the words of a man who died fighting evil to do evil...]-sdqa

Have you ever looked at Church history or Catholic web sites? It's just that all your questions have been answered and you seem to ignore it and you just continue to stay here and argue about how "you" proved or have proof the RCC is wrong. I'm only curious man.

[can you prove me that the RCC can teach non-biblical doctrines?]-sdqa

Besides that, are you in a metal band? Because you mentioned before that you play gutair, or at least like metal

[yes i am,i play guitar and write the songs...but things aren't working out good in this moment,our drummer left the band...]-sdqa

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 17, 2005.

I can only show you what the Church teaches. Whether you believe the doctrines or not is up to you. And if you are really curious about finding out the truth about the Catholic Church, then please, check out these web sites. You'll see how there is so much and FAR WAY too much myths about Catholicism that needs to stop. Remember, I was once anti-Catholic, as well as anti-Christian. I was an athiest at one time. But through study and even fellowship with other Christians I came to know wonderful truths. Here are the sites that would answer all your claims, especialy the far too old myth of "the RCC only taught in Latin to hide the Bible from the people."

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZINDEX.HTM http://www.catholic.com/library/faith_science.asp

Ya I have been in metal bands in the past. I play gutair as well as drums but electric gutair is my main insterment. Now I'm doing my own solo album with a drum machine and an 8 track recorder. Perhaps have my wife sing. I'm really into bands like: Kamelot, Blind Guardian, Hammerfall, Ice Age, etc. Melodic metal is my favorite. I love gutair harmonies!

God give you peace:)

-- Jason (enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), February 17, 2005.

Just curious. Probably an age thing but do young people appreciate the likes of Coltraine, Rollins, Armstrong Eldredge etc. When I was a teenager i couldn't get enough of them, still can't. The passion of their music bring me to tears. Send chills down my back. Is there anyone out there that hears them?

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 17, 2005.

John, Sonny, Louise, Roy, and Cannonball, Charlie, Miles, Duke, Jerry, and Paul, Peter, Dave, Thelonious, and Coleman, and on and on. I bet you can name their last names, Jim. Lately, I've been into the guitar players: Christian, Montgomery, Les Paul (not a standard jazzer), Matheny, Benson (the early years), Maclaughlin. And, I do listen to your Heavy Metal lengends and their roots. Music is music.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 17, 2005.

i never heard of those bands jim

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 18, 2005.

what kind of music do they play?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 18, 2005.

"bands".....this is gonna be great.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 18, 2005.

These were many of the people involved in the evolution of Jazz. Fortunately for us all, they got "recorded." I say "fortunately" because tape recorders were either not envented or no one had one. Today almost anyone can record, the technology is everywhere.

Within the recording industry (back then) there were a few maverics who "went out on a limb" to record music that was not completely accessable to everyone.

Many of the mucisians mentioned were actve from the late 20's, Louis Armstrong through the 60's John Coltrane, Monk, Sonny Rollins etc.. Sonny Rollins, a major inovator, still plays (sax) and is probably about 75 now. Last saw him about 4 years ago and he still was shining.

Rod mentioned Ornette Coleman, he was considered to be almost unlistenable by some when he was fist heard. Today within that musicial context, it's quite easily understood; it swings and is deeply moving.

You can "hear" the effects of these players through the work of many contemporaray Jazz musicians. (Their influence was profound.) But its always interesting to go to the "source." They still sound fresh!

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 18, 2005.

louis is a LEGDAND (I CANT SPELL!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR)

SO is ella!

do any of you guys like jamie cullem?

modern jazz that is!?

-- kt (jc_died_4_me@hotmail.com), February 18, 2005.

kt

The way I see it, is that jazz is jazz. "Modern Jazz" is a different thing,--- almost heretical to me. To put it within the framework of what you will read here. I tend to be a "purist." I'm such an old fogy!

Really, feel free to like "Modern Jazz" but realise that the "rock beat" that makes it "modern" puts it in a box. THats the difference. This is probably not the place to discuss it, but this is what I think about it.

You see Louis, (and I noted that you spelled his name "Louis") (good girl) "is" a ledgend along with Ella (you got that right) and many others. But they are more than that to me. They helped me through many bad times just by hearing them "do" music.

I'm glad you recognise their music as important. You are a good person looking for the "truth." Little bits of truth are revealed by the wonderful things that we humans produse. i.e. Ella and Louis.

This site, and "Ask Jesus" was helpful to me---but it didn't take my mind away. Keep asking questions! THis is a good place with a load of intelligent people. I cant spell either. Just say you type fast and accidents happen.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 18, 2005.

i'm actually smiling... lol

:)

louis and ella are amazing and as a daughter of a jazz musician i have been shown that since i was in the womb!

i see your point about modern jazz but its good that young people still want to carry on with what miles and louis and ella have started for us...

i will keep ask questions... you sound like my teach (with whom i run my school CU) you see i always go to him say "oh can we do this that and the other" and he always say "katie slow down... its great that God is using you and keep coming to me cos 1 day i know that you idea will be THE ONE!"

lol

bye for now....

kt

XxX

-- kt (jc_died_4_me@hotmail.com), February 19, 2005.

kt

You are right. Modern Jazz does open doors. Some ears that may never have tried Jazz out may come to appreciate it by going through that door. Once through, hopefully they check out the "sources."

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 19, 2005.

Yeah Jazz is some pretty talented music. I also like alot of classical, especialy Bach. It's sound awesome when one plays it on gutair too. My favorite is melodic metal though. Actualy, alot of bands really opened doors for me and even led me away from alot of "hate" music I used to listen to. I remember when I was younger my friends and I would say to an Iron Madien gutair harmony "oh great, here is another 'happy' part," lol. But I really enjoy uplifting music now and not really power chord after power chord along with bands who can only play the first five frets and four strings on their gutairs.

-- Jason (enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), February 20, 2005.

Jason,

Have to agree with you about J.S. Bach. I have always liked his music, but lately I've been delving into it a bit more and find it deeply moving.

Last Sunday at mass, the choir played 3 short parts from Bach's "The Saint Matthew Passion." It was beautiful; his work is astonishing. It gave me chills---but I've always been strongly affected by music.

Like so many truly inspired musicians and artists, he was bearly appreciated during his lifetime.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 21, 2005.

JS Bach is a brilliant composer. One of my favourite pieces is the famous Tocatta and Fugé in D Minor. I got to play it on a massive pipe organ once, that was quite a thrill. Although, I was only playing by ear. I can't play the proper thing for peanuts.

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 21, 2005.

But, Olly, can you play it for "spicenuts"?

I love the Toccata and Fugue, too. Have you heard the orchestral version of it? I can't remember who orchestrated it (in the 20th century, I think), but it's nice.

-- (the@undersigned.com), February 21, 2005.