Watchman Nee :

Real work is the outflow of life. In order to work for God, one must first be worked on by God. Without being worked on by God, it is impossible to work for God.

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 19, 2005

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-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 19, 2005.

my motto (not really a quote but i said it so it could be.,...)

"God's word never changes... but the way you present it has to..."

katie plumb

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-- kt (jc_died_4_me@hotmail.com), February 19, 2005.

Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

Solomon, in ecclesiasties, Capter 1, verse 2.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 19, 2005.

i like matthew chapter 23

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 19, 2005.

Matthew Chapter 23

1. Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2. Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6. And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7. And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18. And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20. Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. 23. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30. And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38. Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 19, 2005.

Today it's snowing. Tommorow the sun will shine. My heart is beating. Shen Hao, a Zen master.

-- lite pullover (zucchinibull@aol.com), February 19, 2005.

favorite quote from the mass:

"Lord, I am not worthy to recieve you but only say the word and I shall be healed."

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), February 19, 2005.

This is one of my favorite bible quotes because I drifted away from my faith and then came back after 25 years. It was a bittersweet experience and these words still give me a lot of peace.

Luke:4-7

4 "What man among you having a hundred sheep and losing one of them would not leave the ninety-nine in the desert and go after the lost one until he finds it?

5 And when he does find it, he sets it on his shoulders with great joy 6 and, upon his arrival home, he calls together his friends and neighbors and says to them, 'Rejoice with me because I have found my lost sheep.' 7 I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance.

-- Patience (nospam@idelete.it), February 21, 2005.

"When white man discovered this country, Indians were running it. No taxes. No debt. Women do all work. Men hunt and fish all day. White man think he can improve on system like this."

-- Emerald (em@cox.nett), February 21, 2005.

Well that system certiany leaves no room for me...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 21, 2005.

Death cannot hold the resurrection life,
though every force against it may combine,
death only gives it opportunity,
to manifest the power of life divine.

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 22, 2005.

you must admit it zarove,matthew 23 kicks ass...that's the side of jesus i like

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 23, 2005.

"yet I live, no longer I, but Christ lives in me;" (Gal 2, 20)

-- Enrique Ortiz (eaortiz@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." -- John Henry Newman

"The SSPX is the new Protestantism of the twentieth century and now the twenty-first; that they are going the same way as the Old Catholics; that they're only going to be a pitiful footnote in the pages of history, noted only for the destruction they've caused and the people they've led away from Catholicism into schism and heresy." -- William P. Grossklas, Sr.

-- RJ (rjohn2512@ambrose.net), February 23, 2005.

Leviticus 20:13

-- kat (riesoracle@hotmail.com), February 23, 2005.

Sdqa, may I ask what is the OTHER side of Jesus which you DON’T like?

My favourite quotes: I could say “all of the Sermon on the Mount”, but I guess you mean a quote of just a sentence or two.

“The most revolutionary statement in history is ‘Love thine enemy’.”

A few of my favourites from outside the Bible:

“Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.” (Albert Einstein)

“Love isn’t about finding someone you are compatible with, but about how you deal with your inevitable incompatibilty with anyone and everyone.”

“The two main dangers in life are the people who want to change everything, and the people who want to change nothing.” (Lady Astor)

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), February 28, 2005.

Howlers:

''I can resist anything --except temptation. -- Oscar Wilde

And Beatrice Lily, sailing on the Queen Mary: --''When does this place get to London?''

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 28, 2005.

Growing Old is mandatory....Gorwing Up is Optional.

-- Davis (Hello@There.com), March 01, 2005.

A Catholic likes using his mind on his Faith, like burnishing a treasure."

Bishop Richard Williamson

-- jake (j@k.e), March 01, 2005.

"Sdqa, may I ask what is the OTHER side of Jesus which you DON’T like"

[the dogmatic side...]-sdqa

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 01, 2005.

"...I am not one of these traditionalist wackos..." -- Clay Easley

-- Bill (williamconnolly@yahoo.com), March 01, 2005.

"This citadel of Satan which has been raised against the citadel of God has caused, unfortunately, many Catholics to lose their faith . . . All these Catholics who have come to terms with the enemy and those who play the game of the enemy—it is these who have penetrated in Rome and it is these who have inspired the Second Vatican Council and all of its consequences. .. Instead of teaching the good and true catechism they teach anything. They place in doubt all the truths of the Church, Rather than teaching the morals of the Church they place in doubt and permit all "experiences." Rather than teaching the faith of the Church they "research" and they place all the principles of the Church in doubt. Thus, our Church is infiltrated. It is in the process of "auto-destruction" as Pope Paul VI said. We must resist. We must hold fast!"

-Archbishop Marcel Lefebvere, Ordination Sermon, 1979

-- jake (j@k.e), March 01, 2005.

aawww, how cute, such a lovely quote by an excomunicated bishop who became the founder of one more protestant schism.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), March 01, 2005.

"There is that which is the root of Catholic civilization: the comprehension of sacrifice in one's life, in daily life, the understanding of Christian suffering—no longer considering suffering as evil, as an unbearable sorrow, but sharing one's suffering and one's sickness with the sufferings of Our Lord Jesus Christ, in looking upon His Cross."

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Jubilee Sermon, 1979

-- jake (j@k.e), March 01, 2005.

"Balderdash!! Nothing but crusty traditionalist hogwash." -- www.metricsucks.com

-- Bill (williamconnolly@yahoo.com), March 01, 2005.

"Sdqa, may I ask what is the OTHER side of Jesus which you DON’T like" [the dogmatic side...]-sdqa

Sorry but Jesus comes as a whole package. So many people say “Jesus was just a good, wise man who taught some good things, but I don’t believe in Him or His Church.” Sorry, impossible. Jesus claimed to be God, He claimed to have come here to save us from our sins, to have risen from the dead, and said He would found a Church to lead us to God. There are only three possibilities.

1. He was an evil liar who misled billions.

2. He was a madman, as were all His followers.

3. What He said was true. He really is God who saves us.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 01, 2005.

1. He was an evil liar who misled billions.

2. He was a madman, as were all His followers.

3. What He said was true. He really is God who saves us.

[i don't care what or who he was,i just agree with certain things that he taught...get it?

...

4.people made up the son of god saviour thing...also possible right?]-sdqa

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), March 02, 2005.

Sdqa, I guess what you’re trying to say is that Jesus never claimed to be God, never said He would rise from the dead and never did so, never performed any miracles, He was just a common preacher who said a few wise things, and His disciples just made up all that other stuff after He died. What would have been their motive? What was the likelihood, after they had scattered like frightened rabbits when He was killed, that these devastated men would a few weeks later start shouting all these outrageous lies about Him? “Lies” which they knew the Jewish authorities found insufferable blasphemy. “Lies” which they gladly went to their deaths rather than deny. People don’t die for a lie. It wasn't just the Apostles, there were hundreds if not thousands of disciples who heard what He said and saw what He did, and they believed in Him. How wuld they even all agree which "lies" to tell about Him, and WHY? WHY cause all that trouble for themselves? So no, it's just not possible that the disciples just MADE UP everything about Jesus.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 03, 2005.

Don't even waste your time explaining something to this boy, Steve. ''Pearls before swine,'' OK? The poster boy is sdqa.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 03, 2005.

"In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of those disposed toward evil is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigor of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics. Oh! if I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the Prophet Zachary did in spirit (Zach. 13:6a): "What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands?" The answer would not be doubtful: "...With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me" (Zach. 13:6b). I was wounded by my friends, who did nothing to defend me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of my adversaries. And this reproach can be leveled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries."

-Pope St. Pius X, sermon at the beatification of Joan of Arc (Dec. 13, 1908)

-- jake (j@k.e), March 03, 2005.

assorted quotes - all from the fingers of Eugene Cardinal Chavez [the Church of Latter Day Sheenites]:

"I don't give a fig about your dog."

"Wow! Father; get the holy water; there are demons in the house!"

"You've passed insolence, Boy. You're radioactive with human pride."

"You were MOONING a priest here. ....Nothing you ever post here again (unless you show real RESPECT) shall go un- poked and un- prodded as phony and specious while your buddy Gene is alive to poke & prod your monstruous ego. You earned your notoriety and I'll pay you tit for tat, Radium."

there are many more in this treasury. these are words that will restore orthodoxy to the Church.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), March 03, 2005.

Thanks, Yancy. I didn't know you cared.

Looks like you forgot what I coached you about this AM--

''words that will restore orthodoxy to the Church.'' Are you talking about the Church of Scientology? The Anabaptists? Plymouth Brethren?

The Catholic Church is not in need of ''restoring'' by your lunatic fringe, Iance. Save your ''orthodox reformation'' for the day Christ breaks His promises to the Catholic Church.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 03, 2005.

"Thanks, Yancy. I didn't know you cared."

i actually do. you may not believe it, but i worry about you. i'm not sure you realise the responsibility that comes with your iunilaterally assuming a prominent position here.

Greenspun figures prominently on Googles. that means that there are many people who read what you post.

problem is - it's all totally unresearched, and you know that.

it's ultimately your own personal theology. eg i have shown you countless times how you contradict St Thomas and the Councils.

you might not care -- but this is a material consideration. that's why i care.

throw it back in my face if you will. it won't change my outlook.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), March 03, 2005.

kat, if that is seriously your favourite quote, I feel very sorry for you.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 03, 2005.

That's one heck of a quote, jake. Thanks; never seen that one.

By coincidence, I've been thinking about stuff along those lines all weak week long. Something about the particular way that Eve failed, the particular way that Adam failed, and the ways in which the New Eve (Mary) and the New Adam (Christ) succeeded.

All this has something to do with all that imho.

-- Emerald (em@cox.nett), March 03, 2005.

Thanks, Ian, I forgot how funny Eugene can be.

A few more of my favourite quotes :

"A platitude is simply a truth repeated until people get tired of hearing it." (Stanley Baldwin)

"I am not young enough to know everything." ( Sir J M Barrie / Oscar Wilde)

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."(Aldous Huxley)

"There is but one morality, as there is but one geometry." (Voltaire)

"There is no "way to peace". Peace IS the way.

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 03, 2005.

That's one heck of a quote, jake. Thanks; never seen that one.

Neither had I. It was too good not to share, even at some risk.

"...all the vigor of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics...

Remember that. God is soon going to allow much to happen to underscore this point in particular.

Have a good Lent. Perservere.

-- jake (j@k.e), March 03, 2005.

Yancy says: ''It's ultimately your own personal theology. i have shown you countless times how you contradict St Thomas and the Councils.''

But he showed me nothing even ONCE. And he's mistaken. I have no personal theology. I'm a faithful Catholic.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 03, 2005.

My favorite Voltairism is, ''I only prayed once to God;

Lord-- May all of my enemies be imbeciles. --And he granted it to me!''

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 03, 2005.

You seem to have a very inflated idea of your own importance, jake. What in Heaven's name do you think that you “risked” by posting that quote? And as you know exactly what God is soon going to allow to happen, would you please tell me which horse to bet on this weekend?

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), March 04, 2005.

"You stupid, traditionalist, sexist elitist bastard."

-- no (email@no.email), March 04, 2005.

What in Heaven's name do you think that you “risked” by posting that quote?

replies like this:

You seem to have a very inflated idea of your own importance, jake

and this:

"You stupid, traditionalist, sexist elitist bastard

and this:

And as you know exactly what God is soon going to allow to happen, would you please tell me which horse to bet on this weekend?

There'll be more. Wanna bet?

-- jake (j@k.e), March 04, 2005.

Those are mean-spirited posts, Jake; no denying it.

"...all the vigor of Satan's reign is due to the easygoing weakness of Catholics...'' >>>> ''heck of a quote, jake. Thanks; never seen that one.''-------------- ''Neither had I. It was too good not to share, even at some risk.''

In fact, you were called very inoccuously: ''You seem to have a very inflated idea of your own importance, Jake. What in Heaven's name do you think that you risked by posting that quote?'' He's correct. The quote is nothing helpful to your trad cause; just a denunciation of some Catholics. You assign it to the People of God after Vatican II from your own caprice and elitism; and we all know it. That's a risk; after all these months??? Ha! So, you DO inflate you self-importance, albeit unwittingly.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 04, 2005.

The quote is...just a denunciation of some Catholics. You assign it to the People of God after Vatican II

I assign it to myself, primarily, but if the shoe fits, you're welcome to wear it as well. It's Lent, after all.

-- jake (j@k.e), March 05, 2005.

I think that's great. Somebody must have gotten to you.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 05, 2005.

"Jesus was no Pansy"

Eugene Cardinal Chavez.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), March 06, 2005.

Thanks, Judge Yancy! Motty kind of yez.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 06, 2005.

thank you Eugene! here's another one that made me guffaw - though you are dead right, imho.

"Lukewarm makes Jesus want to throw up."

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), March 07, 2005.

You just calle dme an idiot above. Granted you didnt use the term "Idiot", .......Zarove

-- abc (abc@d.e), March 07, 2005.

"So I woidn worry baouthte slight heat we see today, ti shall fade after new years, when everyoens life resumes normacy, and we shll be again in discussion of faith and issues in a mroe civil tone. The Trolls will lieklyleave soon, as they usually do, and we shall see fwer iritatiosn fom them.

All in all, I think Michael, you worry too much on this matter." - Taken from Zaroff

-- Brit (Gobb@le.Goble), March 07, 2005.

"Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said on Monday he would have voted for the congressional resolution authorizing force against Iraq even if he had known then no weapons of mass destruction would be found."

-- Brit (Gobble@Gobb.le), March 07, 2005.