I have twice emailed you on this, and sory for makign this public.

However, I continue to be denegrated for the ends of my attacers, whose only Aim seems ot be the elimination of any point of veiw other than their own.

I opened a thread for the purpos of Hisotry, tryign to find earlier Translaiosn fo the Bible han Wyciffe, yet it ha degenerated into a hate thread aimed mainly at me asthe object held in derision, thogh now, as per usual couse in such affairs, i am claimed he rude and arogant one and they soon shll claim victim status, disoite they beign the attackers.

Mormosn also, for som reaosn, are now attacked.

Not only are Mormin beleifs not turl understood ( Inded, Frnak dosnt even undersand the term " Universe" an what it means. No Mormon scrioture will say God he fahter is form "Another Universe", since Morminsinmt dosnt tehc othr Universes exist, an the term is Oxymoronic... only thta he was form another world, and that only one of he two branches of Mormnism...)

Constantly mistrpresetign the beleifs of myself and the Mormons arent goignt o win converts, especially when you knwo ha toy say is offnesicve but demand others accept this veiw.

CP ( ReallY pelligario I beleive) claims he is bign an apologist, but he makes no ligical argumen sin the efnec of his faith, and instead attakcs with acucsationa n rude remark semone who made no comment baout theology whatsoever.

This is not apoogetics and is not protectign anyone form error, but makign erorr by beign vile and mean-spirited and dsotrying an atemt at scholarship.

The attacks leveled agaisnt me arent welcomed, nor is it welcoemd for him o tel me what I am and to force his veiws upon me, veiws I may add tha com no form learnign abo truh with an open mind, btu form his desire to discrdit everythign that is not in acocrd to his world veiw.

So I ask fo yor intervention agisnt htis unnessiary aggression, wich ha caried on for two threads now, and shall continue to cary on ot other threads if not hauled.

If yo think that it is how a Catholci Shoidl be have to mok and demean others, misrepresent their beleifs, force his self serving veiws in he interest of his ego an agenda, and ruin legitimate inwuerries, d nohting.

If on the other hand you think it is how a Cahtolci chrk act to show due rpsect whrre no harm is offered, and an attempt at understandign made, and hat aggresion agaisnt queerients shoudl not be turned away, then I suggest you terminate the unkind remarks on the thread in qeasiton.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 22, 2005

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I have twice emailed you on this, and sory for makign this public.

However, I continue to be denegrated for the ends of my attacers, whose only Aim seems ot be the elimination of any point of veiw other than their own.

I opened a thread for the purpos of Hisotry, tryign to find earlier Translaiosn fo the Bible han Wyciffe, yet it ha degenerated into a hate thread aimed mainly at me asthe object held in derision, thogh now, as per usual couse in such affairs, i am claimed he rude and arogant one and they soon shll claim victim status, disoite they beign the attackers.

Mormosn also, for som reaosn, are now attacked.

Not only are Mormin beleifs not turl understood ( Inded, Frnak dosnt even undersand the term " Universe" an what it means. No Mormon scrioture will say God he fahter is form "Another Universe", since Morminsinmt dosnt tehc othr Universes exist, an the term is Oxymoronic... only thta he was form another world, and that only one of he two branches of Mormnism...)

Constantly mistrpresetign the beleifs of myself and the Mormons arent goignt o win converts, especially when you knwo ha toy say is offnesicve but demand others accept this veiw.

CP ( ReallY pelligario I beleive) claims he is bign an apologist, but he makes no ligical argumen sin the efnec of his faith, and instead attakcs with acucsationa n rude remark semone who made no comment baout theology whatsoever.

This is not apoogetics and is not protectign anyone form error, but makign erorr by beign vile and mean-spirited and dsotrying an atemt at scholarship.

The attacks leveled agaisnt me arent welcomed, nor is it welcoemd for him o tel me what I am and to force his veiws upon me, veiws I may add tha com no form learnign abo truh with an open mind, btu form his desire to discrdit everythign that is not in acocrd to his world veiw.

So I ask fo yor intervention agisnt htis unnessiary aggression, wich ha caried on for two threads now, and shall continue to cary on ot other threads if not hauled.

If yo think that it is how a Catholci Shoidl be have to mok and demean others, misrepresent their beleifs, force his self serving veiws in he interest of his ego an agenda, and ruin legitimate inwuerries, d nohting.

If on the other hand you think it is how a Cahtolci chrk act to show due rpsect whrre no harm is offered, and an attempt at understandign made, and hat aggresion agaisnt queerients shoudl not be turned away, then I suggest you terminate the unkind remarks on the thread in qeasiton.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 22, 2005.

Yes, Moderator, by all means go and check on Zarove's allegations. You will find that he is merely too thin-skinned to take part in some of the ordinary debates and banter at this forum. Apparently he has been here so long, getting off scot-free all the while, that when a couple of people start pointing out the ways in which he is wrong, he goes berserk like a whining tot.

He wrongly felt that his original thread got "highjacked," so he started a new one, which no one has touched. Neither has anyone attacked him on the new thread nor has anyone given him the answers he demands. People are apparently learning that it is better to ignore him and not take him seriously any longer. Since he seems to have the self-delusion of being a great scholar of some kind, his feelings are apparently hurt.

The original thread is here. You will see that he requests information about old Bible translations, and that I went to the trouble of trying to provide the best answer I could for him by searching for something on the Internet. Yes, it is true that I humorously added a "dig" about the incompleteness of today's Protestant Bibles. But he didn't have to take that and run with it like a cry-baby. He overreacts every time his (or other non- Catholics') mistakes are criticized. Not only did he end up trashing me, but also he launched into disproportionate bashing of Frank Simeon, who entered the conversation in a very mild way.

It is obvious to me that the time for Zarove to leave the forum has come. It appears that he is an "invincibly ignorant" Protestant, showing no interest at all in becoming Catholic. While not all of his interventions here are worthless or counterproductive, enough of them are to say that he has earned the labels, "disruptive and disinvited."

-- C.P. (cpetersen@bigbay.com), February 22, 2005.

You have to have thicker skin than that, when you are refuted in this Catholic forum, especially trying to be the "Protestant preacher boy" showing your ingnorance on the evil, un-CHRISTIAN Mormans.

-- Ed (Ed (Didn't @king james.killCatholics),), February 22, 2005.

Uh, Mormons. We really should proofread our posts or do a spell check before posting. Remember?

Yes, I'm out of here.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 22, 2005.

No one hates you Zarove. But when you post things that are untrue or foolish, they will be refuted. I think your real problem in posting is that you try so hard not to offend anyone's sensibilities or say anyting that you end up saying, well, nothing.

Religion is the search for Truth, and saying nothing is the opposite of that. Therefore, you shouldn't be too surprised that people constantly disagree with you if you insist that black means the same thing as white if one were just to think about it long enough. The truth is that there's a REASON for calling black black and white white regardless of how similar they would appear if we were viewing them at the atomic level. What you need to do is try and understand that people say the things they do for a REASON, try looking through the eyes of your viewer, and seeing things on THEIR terms rather than trying to force them to see through yours.

Try being more understanding of people who really believe that the OBJECTIVE Truth is important, and not just something that is malleable to one's own interests.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 22, 2005.

Who left it up to you to judge Zarove and tell him to leave the forum? That's not your call to make John, er ah "cpeterson". You seem to have quite a gift for insulting and attacking people in the name of defending the faith.

Zarove has participated here in the best tradition of the forum - an honest discussion. He goes out of his way to learn about Catholicism and to not offend. A recent thread allowed much of the forum to express their appreciation for his efforts. In my view, you're the one causing the problem here, not Zarove.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 22, 2005.

Perhaps Zarove wants to fellowship like Oliver.

-- roger (rbakersfield@vanderbilt.org), February 22, 2005.

Zarove is a decent chap and doesn't deserve to be shown the door.

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 22, 2005.

No one is showing Zarove the door. The question is whether or not Zarove sees the door, or whether the door exists at all. What is a door? do you adore your sweetheart? a-do-re me?

Frank

-- someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), February 22, 2005.

Above, I stated, "It is obvious to me that the time for Zarove to leave the forum has come. It appears that he is an 'invincibly ignorant' Protestant, showing no interest at all in becoming Catholic. While not all of his interventions here are worthless or counterproductive, enough of them are to say that he has earned the labels, 'disruptive and disinvited.'"

Now another (perhaps unwitting) accomplice of the Old Nick shows up to defend his partner in error and division. Thus, we can read again my quoted words, this time inserting the name "Dave" in place of "Zarove." He sees that if one pernicious influence on the forum is weeded out, he may not be far behind.

-- C.P. (cpetersen@bigbay.com), February 22, 2005.

"Zarove is a decent chap and doesn't deserve to be shown the door."

seconded.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), February 22, 2005.

I love you too, CP/John :-)

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 22, 2005.

I have respect for Zarove. Let the man post without the character assasinations.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.

It is obvious to me that the time for Zarove to leave the forum has come. It appears that he is an "invincibly ignorant" Protestant, showing no interest at all in becoming Catholic.

CP, I'm sorry but I do find this kind of statement rather funny. Do you expect all non-catholic's who come here to have interest in converting to Catholicism? If a Catholic person visits a Baptist or Mormon or JW forum or whatever, should that Catholic show an interest in converting to the respective religion?

-- Oliver Fischer (spicenut@excite.com), February 23, 2005.

Obvius is the ansser. since the Cahtlic chruch is the one true Chehc, all the rest are Heretics who either deserve to be burned att he stake or else repent and convert. we knwo the Cathlci Chruch is true, because of his rock-soliud apologetics, where his argumes go liek the below.

" The Catholic Churhc is the one true Chuch cause I said so."

" Only an idiot disagrees wih me."

" All rational peopel think like me, so you arent rational if you dont."

and " See how stupid you are?"

Qho can defeat such solid logic.

Mind you, I have nohtign aaisnt actual Cahtolcis, but CP is certianly more than enough reason to illustrate why peopel do NOT convet due to bad experieces. he presents no logical argument, and instead relies heavily on personal attack. Then claism he used logical argument, and his oponant when offended merley lacks the inteelctual capacity to udnerstand his argument, and urhe makes mroe persnal attacks.

It is this attitude which prevents growth of faith in Christ Jesus, because it only serves to aleinate and divide people frm al walks form understanding eahc other, or speakign to each other.

It seems the Moderator here will not take acion, thoguh, sicne he agrees with their sentements. he disregardstheir rude conduct and personal attakcs beause he agrees with what they say, omltley ignorign the attacks made by them.

It is, as I said, very fortunatley tha I have had dialouge with other Cahtolcis sincere in their faith, and true to their tecigns, and not some would-be self-styled apoligists seekign only to dominate by force.

Otherwise my image of the Catholci Chruch woidl be darker than the reality, for the presentaiton of it on the threads fiven by its woudl- be defenders shwos no merc or live, no reason, no chsrity, only bile and utter contempt.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 23, 2005.

Non-Catholics have this role: "They never come into the Church. They stand and starve at the doors of the banquet - the banquet to which they surely realize that they are invited - while those more poor, more stupid, less gifted, less educated, sometimes even less virtuous than they, enter in and are filled at those tremendous tables."

-- (lessvirtuous@tremendous.table), February 23, 2005.

That's nice, btu has nothign to do withthe issue. remmeber, this si not an issue baout Cahtolcis and non-Cahtolis, btu rude conduct by csome memebrs who take "Defneding the faith" to mean "Attackign anyoen who is not like us."

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 23, 2005.