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wiring existing N scale layout to dcc
Soldering & DCC?
Bachman Shay
Best book for starting a DCC layout
DCC Ready locomotives ?
DZ123 function output
DCC for Bachmann 0-6-0
DCC Bus Wiring
braking sections using a digitrax chief
soldering on circuit boards and decoders
Should I ask a question on this forum
What is this Q&A forum all about?
Have a question?
How can I help?
Aristocraft Trains
Decoders install on Aristocraft-G scale-wiring
Athearn
Lighting for HO Athearn GP-35
athearn and atlas engines
Genesis bulb replacement......
Athearn SD75 performance issue
Soundtraxx board install in Athearn AC4400
Printing
DH163 into Athearn EMD103 Pickup Wires question.
Athearn SW 7 Decoder
Decoder Instalation in older Athearn
DCC for Athearn HO engines
Atlas DCC and Athearn engines
matching Genesis USRA 2-8-2circut board to MRC DCC decoder
Athearn Genesis SD70 DCC friendly?
How do I wire a decoder into a athearn locomotive?
Decoders for Athearn - Genesis
Athearn Decoder Installations
Atlas
Atlas N Scale GP-38 factory Installed Decoder Problem
Power for Atlas stuff alongside EasyDCC installation
atlas turnouts and dcc
Installing Decoder for Older Atlas RS11 With Lamp Bracket
Marker lights on N Scale Atlas H16-44
Converting Atlas Turnouts
Atlas DCC System
How do I change the momentum setting?
atlas commander
Atlas DCC Power
Atlas DCC
Automation
Reset Atlas Decoders to Factory Default
Automated Operation continued
Bachmann
Bachmann DCC On Board
What decoder to use for Bachmann FT ?
DCC and a reverse loop
Decoder intsallation in Bachmann Harry Potter loco.
On30 Bachmann 2-6-0
Bachmann GP-30
bachman 4-6-0 problems
correct bubls & how for bachmann decapod?
DCC Decoders
DCC decoder for Bachmann Cable Car
Bachmann decoder installation - non-Spectrum
Switching Bachman (or others) DCC ready tenders
insalling decoder in spectrum SD45
DCC decoders(digitrax) for Bachman Spectrum 4-8-2
Bachman On30 Shay decoder
wiring for DCC on EZ Track
E-Z track & DCC
Converting Bachman GS-4 Daylight to DCC
DCC and Bachmann 4-6-0's
Bachmann 2-8-0 decoder installation
Converting Bachmann's Spectrum CW44-8 to "DCC"
Bachmann Spectrum K-4
Installing a decoder
Bachmann/Proto 2000 installs
Backman 4-8-2 and DCC
Spectrum Dash 8 40 - dcc decoder install
Open a Doodlebug
Wire a Bachmann Spectrum GE 44 ton switcher for DCC
Block Detection
Digitrax dlock dection/w lenz ls150 stationary decoder
use of resistor wheelsets in metal trucks
Simplified Block Detection without metal wheels
How does block detection work with DCC?
Cheap skate block detector question
Detecting trains
Block Detection is there a better way?
DCC track detector schematic
can i make detectable whlsets with resistance paint
Detector circuit driving relay
Boosters
Do #1156 bulbs work with System1or NCE boosters?
Problems again
Problem with added booster
When is a booster required for DCC
DB200+ fighting DCS150 command station
Power Districts
Booster amps
Transformer. acc/or variable to the command control???
booster ground
CVP
EasyDCC performance/cost issues
Couplers
Kadee Uncouplers
DCC Friendly Track Switches
Minitrix Turnouts
Fleischmann's turnouts
Atlas or Peco turnouts for dcc
Lifelike Power-loc track and turnouts
problem withh Peco Insulfrog turnouts......
problem with #6 Shinora double cross over...
Shinohara dual gauge turnouts
Peco Insulfrog Question
question about cutting tie board
ROCO DCC TURN OUT OPERATION Q.
Peco Turnouts
Reworking turnouts for DCC
NICKEL PLATE PRODUCTS TURNOUTS
Connecting point rails & closure rails
Soldering point rails to throwbar
Atlas Turnouts and Dead Mice
New "DCC Compatible" Walthers/Shinohara Turnouts???
Microengineering T.O
More on throwbars
Circuit Board for Throwbars
Pilz Elite and DCC caution
Atlas Code 100 Switches
N scale turnouts
Shinahhra N scale turnouts
How Do You Wire Kato Turnouts
gaps on Peco code 100 insulfrogs
DCC with Peco Insulfrog double-slips
Peco Insulfrog Crossover Wiring
Peco insulfrog & electrofrog turnouts
Converting Richard Orr Brass Turnouts to DCC Friendly
Using DCC with Live Frog turnouts: 1:20.3, outdoors
Fleischmann points
How to Fixing the Shorting Problem of a 3 way Shinohara Turnout
PC Throwbars creating a drag
Turnout mod blues... Considering the half friendly route
Making a BK Enterprises crossover DCC friendly
Atlas code 83 switch
operating 2 turnouts with a single switch
Unmodified Walthers Switches
Pilz Elite "curveable" turnouts
Pilz Elite turnouts
Making a Peco 3-Way DCC Friendly
DCC wiring for closed frog switches
DCC for Slips and crossovers
Circuit Board Throw Bars
Wiring Shinohara Double Slip Switch in code 83
Powerrouting
Wiring a HO #6 Shinarro double slip Turnout
Shinohara (Walthers) 3 way turnouts
DCC Friendly Turnout Source comment.
Jumpers across the hinge of the points on Peco.
Walthers turnout modification
peco insulfrog rewire?
connection wire to switch frog
Walthers double switch
Handlaid crossover
Powering converted Peco Electrofrog turnouts
Turnout wiring for DCC
Best DCC switches and other wiring woes
Atlas 83 with manual ground throws?
Clover House PC board Ties
Overview of Peco Code 55 Electrofrog switches and DCC
Diagram,making Peco 3way eletrofrog DCC friendly
Atlas Snap Switches
Short at diamond in double crossover
Which Wires Do I Cut To Make a PECO Turnout DCC Friendly?
Peco Code 55 Double CrossOver Electrofrog
DCC for a Kato Double Slip Turnout
Peco code 55 switches and double cross over
Old('70's) Shinohara turn-outs - how to wire
Making Micro Engineering Turnouts DCC Friendly
Peco N Electrofrog Turnouts
Atlas Custom Line turnouts and DCC
Stubb turnouts and Booster Districts
dcc & 3way shinohara turnout
Making N Scale Peco Electrofrog Turnouts DCC Friendly
Switchmaster and Frog Wiring
Newbie Questions on DCC Friendly Track Switches
Which N gauge track system with DCC?
problem with short using peco insulfrog
Wiring Pilz switch for DCC
Wiring for hand Laid Turnouts
Making a Shinohara Double Crossover DCC Friendly.
wiring BK enterprises turnouts
Does anyone contract out the modification of rail switches?
Decoder Installation - Not Manufacturer Specific
Decoder installation into N scale Doodlebug?
Can I fit decoders to old FLEISCHMANN Locos ?
decoder inst, Rivarossi
isolate can motors?
Decoder problem
Proto RS2 Decoder install?
Can a DCC decoder be used on non-DCC track power?
Decoder function problems
DECODERS FOR EURO ENGINES
Decoders & Pitman motor magnet
Converting locos to Digital
Life -Like locomotives
One decoder - 2 motors?
dcc wiring for athern locos
Manufacurer's decoder output function voltage
Left and Right Rails?
double heading
Buzzing Noise
Wiring Spud Trucks for DCC
Accessory decoders
DH121AT
NCE D13SRP decoder in P2k SD7's
Decoder for Proto SW9/1200
Identity of old decoders
Decoder Q's and recommendations
dcc for other than locomotive use
Wiring decoder for Mantua
German DCC Installation Problems
P1K DCC
Can you put DCC in American Flyer?
DCC for Proto 1000 F3s
Re-mapping functions with DH140
Isolating can motors
Brass loco current draw
Old('70's) Brass steam- how to wire
Arnold Decoder install
PWM Filtering
coreless motors
Decoder programming blues
Motor Buzz
Digitrax Loconet
Digitrax Zephyr and MRC AD310 decoders
Help with DCS, DB, MRC 8and PM 42 shorting in REV
Digitrax DCS100 as Slave Unit
Problems Adding a DB150
UP5 issue
DH121 - speed steps
Programming loco adresses- Digitrax
Digitrax Super Chief: 5 or 8 amp best??
Nothing happens
Off the shelf Loconet Wires
Proper Wiring of Digitrax DB100+, and Easy DCC
Digitrax Big Boy Continued
Loconet problem
Digitrax Big Boy
Hardware to run PR1
Location of DB150 command station on my layout
Loconet cable that can be buried
Own network for boosters
Digitrax
Where to purschase Digitrax
Use DG83FX's instead of DG380 & DG580 on LGB 20670
Loconet
connecting two radio recievers to a LocoNet
Speed change on the reverse loop
Interface to Digitrax Loconet
Digitrax UT-1 Runaway Problem
Do you have defective Digitrax DH121's?
Can't get Digitrax PR-1 to work.
ds54
is digitrax loconet truly redundant?
How do you wire 1/4" phone jacks for loco-net panels?
Displaying/Printing the Wiring for DCC Web Page
gp-20 decoder install
Maximum Number of DB150s Possible
downloadind a printable version of 'wiring for DCC'
Updates
Email Notification/sssss
I can't print your color graphics. Am I doing something wrong?
Do-It-Yourself DCC
Lighted Track Bumpers
PLC DIgitrax control
polarity of post on IHC 2-6-0 engine upper/lower
Do-it-yourself DCC accessory decoder
Powering a DCC unit with an AC voltage transformer.
How does the DCS and Decoder Function Digitially
DCC auto reverse loop module
Marklin Booster 6015 - schematics
Short Ciorcuit detector doesn't work
s88 marklin/motorola datastream format
WHERE CAN I FIND DCC FOR MAC COMPUTERS??
DCC computer cards
DIY DCC without a PC ?
DIY DCC
Existing Layout Owners
use of DCC locos and non DCC locos
mixed DCC & DC operations
Will DC Locomotive run on DCC systme
starting cenversion from scratch layout already built
Converting to DCC
Converting To DCC control
Automated operation
Still use DCC w/current block system?
Keller Moving On to NCE DCC & Shinohara Switches
General Garden Railroad Applications
Voltage Symmetry of DCC Boosters
Propogation Delay of DCC Signals
Resistance and Voltage drop of Code 332 & 250 SS Track
DCC conversion for smoke units
basic applicability
Outdoor Garden layout using DCC
General Z scale Applications
Märklin Z (Miniclub ) on digital track
Getting Electronic Parts
Color coding wire on the cheap.
Website for Globe Specialty Co
Fuses for safety
Source for 16V 1000uF bi-polar capacitors
Parts list for DCC to DC circuit converter
Plug/Socket connectors for the small decoder wires.
Module quick disconnects.
swicth contols
bipolar (red/green) LED's for searchlight signals
Looking for 3 color T1 LED modules
Kato
decoder in a kato mikado n gauge
Kato N Scale #6 turnouts...
Using MRC Command 2000 system with Kato 3 color automatic signals
Converting Kato automatic crossing gate to dcc
Installing a decoder in a HO Kato NW2
Lenz
problems with athearn locos and lenz decoders
Engine only runs backwards
Lenz LE062XF Programming Problems
LenzProgramming track wiring
Lenz Power Supply: AC or DC
Any Lenz XPA experience yet?
Programming CV29 on Lenz
lenz decoder address problem
does anyone trust LENZ to live up to its promises?
Wiring problems
Lighting Effects
Walthers passenger car lighting
MARS Light Operation
wiring of Tomar two LED signals to turnout
Caboose Marker Lights with DCC
how to hook up lighting to my transformer
lighted passenger cars for DCC
Mars Light for Proto 2000 E-8
Using Miniatronics 14V Bulbs
Digitrax DH163AT Lighting trouble
LED headlighting
Water, not rail
Using Track power to supply constant voltage
1.5v Grain of Wheat bulbs vs 18 volts on track
resistors for 1.5v bulbs
Fliker free lighting
TURNOUTS INDICATION
wiring of LED's
no light
flashing ditch lights stop working after a few nminutes
MARS/Gyralight lighting effects in P2K E7
Lionel
DCC and Lionel
MRC
Looking for feedback on the Prodigy Advance
MRC Prodigy advance question.....
Short Circuit protection with DCC
using 2 command 2000's
DCC and MRC decoder
Slow/intermitent engines
command 2000
command 2000 truobleshoot
MRC 2000 Handhelp Accessory option
Reverse Section Problems
MRC Prodigy
MRC-loco runaways
MRC Prodigy controller
MRC Decoder Programming
O Scale Switch and Track Wiring DCC and MRC 2000
Jerky operation
MRC 2000
mrc decoder in kato problems
MRC Reverse Module indicates shorts
Walkaround jack interface
MRC Operation
DCC Reverse loop"s
MRC 2000 is sound possible with this?
MRC decoder wiring
MRC Decoders/LL-F40PH N
MRC decoders
Using hnd held command 2000
Using MRC Auto Reverse Module and insulating rails
DCC Wiring for MRC 2000
MRC Command 2000
Booster for MRC Command 2000
Maintainence
Ccleaning Dcc engine wheels
Marklin
dcc
Mixing Products Between Manufacturers
Interchanging throttles & accs
Digitrax and NCE decoder consisting with Lenz
Decoder won't take address
Wiring a Digitrax and a Altas Commander on same layout
Atlass/Digatrax compatabilty
Atlas DCC and Athearns Locomotives
Throttle For Atlas Commander
MR's ctc16
Auto Reverser with Circuit Breakers
4 digit addressing problem
Decoder compatability
Joining X-Bus and LocoNet
PROGRAMMING ON A LENZ SYSTEM
Model Die Casting - Roundhouse
recommended decoders for roundhouse engines
Is there a recommended DCC system for the MDC Old Time series of locomotives?
NCE
NCE Decoder Programming Problem with Atlas Commander
NCE PRO: maximum separation of Booster from Command Station
Block Signals-Lights Too Bright
Using Signals To Indicate Reverse Polarity
Walthers Shinohara Double Crossover-Reverse Polarity
NCE DA-SR decoder lighting problem
Macros to contol sound,lights
Decoder Installation in Intermountain Loco
NCE PHP shutdown question
Chief Vs. D408SR
Newbie Questions
Wiring a Portable Layout for DCC
Are Shinohara turnouts no go for DCC without major modifications?
DCC system comparison tests?
Soldering
is my main command box dead
Speed steps
Bus and Track Feeder Wiring
diodes for track control
DCC and NScale
Micro Switches for Manual Turnout Routing
DCC I'm new to this
DCC and non-DCC locomotives lashed together
Motor question
how to automate switches for revering loop
Throttle controls
DCC for Bachman GS-4 Daylight
New to DCC
locomotive direction
Scared to death of starting to build a DCC railroad
DCC Start-UP
Can I run a DCC engine on a non DCC track
Hornby Double 3 rail and DCC
DCC
Which system would you reccomend to a new N gauge user
VOLTAGE ?????
Implementing DCC on turnouts
What is a Booster?
what the heck is DCC anyway?
Brand new to DCC, need start help
Analog and DCC coexisting
Turnout wiring
What control unit to buy.
Who turned out the lights?
dcc use out doors
Running DCC on regular layout
PLENTY OF DCC INFO OK BUT NO INFO ON STARTING FROM SCRATCH
INTRODUCTION TO DCC
Transformers
British outline DCC
which system to choose
Managing a massive layout via WinLoc & DCC
short circuit detector
DCC instructions in English
What DCC system to use?
To DCC or not to DCC? And if so, how?
new to dcc
Newbie questions
Other Technical Questions
Soldering Brass Kits
Speed Tables
No. of trains per system
NCE N12SR operates in reverse, nothing in forward
DCC in the garage
Programming Speed Tables
Who is Keller Engineering?
What happens when a DCC loco has the "polarity" switched
book on how to install decoder
decoder will not reverse loco
Pear to Pear vs. Polling
Using DCC on Brass
Help with voltage
DCC Speed Tables for N Scale
PC Interface & Control
Simple DCC Controller
Operation of Digitrax DCC Layout under computer control
Control by a PC
Problems with Equipment
Loco stalls or jerks on track
max. 4 locos per pm42 district in N scale - Why?
Lost in DCC land
Loco short
Digitrax not seeing the loco's
loco hesitation
Buzzing N scale engine
Digitrax throttle control - controlling two loco's
Runaway locomotives
Direction change on a DCC locomotive
Power Supply for DCC
Wiring and Switching
How do you speed match locos?
Need both DCC and Analog
Multiple Boosters - Central vs Remote
Digitrax UR91 & DT100R
Installed MRC AD305 Decoder-No Lights
Problem with Rix II brackets in N scale
DN140 troubleshooting
Runaway
Digitrax Booster Current Capability
Step by Step instruction to change speed from 128 to 28
Programming decoders with computers
Running Brass Equipment with DCC
Proto 2000
Mars light in Proto 2000 E6A
P1K DCC easier?
Pitted wheels I think
How does one open a P2K 0-8-0 to correct short in loco (smoked decoder)
PROTO 2000 GP20
decoder install for P2K FA2/FB2
What decoder to use with Proto2000 FA2/FB2
DCC and Proto 2000
decoder install
Decoder Installation for Proto1000 Budd RDC
Lifelike N SW9 decoder install
LL P2K E7A & B Sound Installation
"mars light" on P2K Alco PA
E6/7 DCC WIRING
DCC sound, lights and motor control in PA1/E7
proto 2000 SW 9 decoder installation
How to wire a mrc decoder into a proto 2000 e 8/9
What decoders are used in Proto 2000 PA units released this year by Life-Like? I am using Easy DCC by CVP industries.
Reverse Loop Situations
Auto Reverse jerky transition
feeders for reverse loops
Why are special provisions required for a reversing loop situation?
Reversing loop problem
reverse loop not working
Figure Eight Reverse Loop
Auto-reverser options
auto reverse loop
Rivarossi
Re-motoring a Challenger
Re-motoring a Rivarossi Challenger
DCC in Challenger & Big Boy
Big Boy 4884
Rivarossi E8 Conversion
What decoder is needed
Announcement - Some Rivarossi Allegeheny's are wired wrong
Rivarossi hudson pick-up problems
Rivarossi Hudsons and DCC Sound
Rivarossi DCC Challenger (late model)
Rivarossi Big Boy, Challenger & FEF running
Digitrax Decoders in Rivarossi Challenger
decoders & Riverossi cab-forward
decoder installation in a rivarossi hudson
Rivarossi
Installing a decorder
Rivarossi BigBoy
Sound
N Scale Sound
Soundtraxx Decoder & Bachmann Shay
Soundtraxx DSD-3BTLSC for Bachmann HO Shay
SOUNDTRAXX decoder for Bowser steam engines
adding sound in digital train
Couplingsound with Soundtraxx DSX
what trucks to use for sound pick up in a freight car
Any diesel horns out there?
Soundtraxx and Digitrax
Soundtraxx DSD-150 Programming Problem
Sound systems, DCC
Switch Machine Control
Using microswitches with Tortoise switch machines
More on hankscraft switch motor problem
Use Switchmaster (Hankscraft) Switch Machines With the Rix Mounting Block.
3-way turnout control
Frog power routing and DCC control
DS51K1 Installation
Wiring N.J. International Twin Coil Switchmachines
Decoder for twin coil switch machines
DelAire Switch control
Decoders to control Turnouts?
5A Microswitches
Memory Wire and DS54
Tortise switch machines/ M.E turnouts code 70
Digitrax DS44, Tortise and Walthers/Shinohara Turnouts
atlas snap switch wiring for DCC
Switchmaster wiring
Switchmaster Wiring
Torquemaster vs. Switchmaster
DS54 and Switchmaster Switch Machine Resitors
Tortoise switch machine, power routing frog, DCC 5amps - Too Much???
Installation and wiring of Tortoise Switch Machines
switchmaster buying and installation
Hankscraft vs. Tortoise in 2002
Above Board Switch Control
Will the Switchmaster work with Rix Rax flat mounting brackets?
Stationary Decoders for Switch Machine Control
Atlas under table switch machines
ds54 and peco solenoid
Using AD4/AD4HA with Digitrax
LGB turnouts and single use stationary decoders
Hankscraft switch motors
Ground throws for use with DCC
DS54 and BD1's to throw Tortise
ds54 power supply
Feedback for Atlas Switches using DS54
How to wire a Tortoise to Digitrax with relays
Tools and Gear
Installing DCC in a Big Boy & Challenger
Resistance soldering
Track Wiring
Wiring a New DCC Layout
Bus Wiring question.
Feeder wire length Lionel Strang vs Allan Gartner
DCC Block Wiring
DCC Wiring blocks
Track Bus Feeders
wiring peco electrofrog single and double slips and diamonds
short detection
Common rail question(s)
Booster and Command Center supplies
light bulbs
buzzer emitting a low level tone
DCC Feeder Spacing
Best way to minimize length of track bus
DCC & general wiring layout help
Track wiring tees
Planning the track power buss
diamond crossings
Need help wiring Peco PE-SLE393F 20 degree crossing for DCC
Tortise edge connectors
Setting up a Reverse Loop
wiring of Ho scale switches
Question on grounding
wiring a diamond crossing
source of NMRA wiring color coding?
Automatic Turnout Operation
Tillig and Roco compatability?
Bus wires
sectional track in a DCC layout
DCC Feeders and Kato Unitrack
Insufficient wiring
two voltages on dual gauge track
Wiring Double Junction
insulated rail joiners and power districts
sub busses
Is as Single Main Bus Preferrable or Plural Buses?
12ga or 14 ga wiring for buss?
Onboard sound
Can these Circuit breakers be used with DCC
Wiring a complex reversing loop
Shinohara Turnouts for DCC
Ground Connections
Questions re: Track wiring in a Garden Layout
1156 Automotive Bulbs
Pilz Elite turnouts for DCC
reversing loop
Wiring of 3 way turnouts
Digitrax auto reporting turnout position
wire
resistance solder
Wireing 1156 bulbs into DCC for circuit protection
Wiring Crossings with solid frogs
resistance soldering
Resistance Soldering ??
Atlas Customline turnout wiring
Track installation and soldering Q's
Start-up in DCC....Reverse Loops
Wiring my 2-switch reversing loop w/dcc
Best way to wire a reverse loop(s)
Basic wiring for dcc
Digitrax PM-4
DCC short when using Peco insulfrog switches
use of moveable frog switches with DCC
Common Rail Wiring
Any special considerations for wiring a helix w/dcc
feeders
Resistance Soldering of rails
Wiring with IDC connectors
Can I use #24 AWG wire for N scale turnouts?
Turntables
i need some info on wireing a turntable please!!!
DCC wiring for Fleischmann turntable
turntable motor
Basic Turntable Wiring
Digital turntable control
Reversing section and turntable
DCC decoder/accesory to full control Turntables
Tyco
LED Switch Machine indicators
DCC decoder in Tyco 4-4-0 (General)
USA Trains
USA Trains GP9 Directionals and DCC
Using one system for two layouts, two scales.
DCC for ho and n scale
Walthers
Which decoder for Walthers GP15
Converting Walthers GE-8 40B to DCC?
Walthers - disconnecting the point rails
Wireless Throttles (Radio & Infrared)
DCC power/throttle control
TV remote as an IR throttle
Digitrax UR91 & DT100R Problems
Infrared control
Installing radio DCC
Remote Control of DCC Systems
Radio Control for DCC
Uncategorized
decoder defaults
0-8-0 stalling in insulated frog turnouts
What type wire to use to solder track together
Calculating CV values
DCC & HO Outdoors
DCC technology
dcc
Bus Wiring with Digitrax PM42
Bus Wiring w/Digitrax PM42
Stranded Wire
Digitrax stationary decoders
power supply
Top speed limited
HO and S Scale
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Just fried bachmannn D C C Plug IN Chip
proto 2000 SW problem.....
do i need to insulate..
Short Detector Beeper
wiring
IHC GG1
useing Non DCC Friendly turnouts.....
Wiring for resistors
trouble with Shinora turn - outs
Plc
Has any one DCC'd a MTH H8 Allegheny?
Track status light-what to look for
track power-what should I look for?
Hornby Live Steam and DCC
booster ground
Why can't die cast metal be soldered?
new to hobby what does dcc do
De Witt Clinton decoder fitting
Using Capacitor discharge unit with ZTC 304 Decoder
How to wire a flashing beacon or strobe
Is System One closed down
LGB MTS
dcc
dcc
Use of Autopulse 8000 Throttle with DCC ?
Placement of resistors for DS-54 to Switchmaster?
Bi-color LED wiring for DS-54 with switchmaster
Running on the main with a Reverse loop
advantages & disadvantages
One transformer driving two boosters
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